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Seems the norm for many automotive manufactures. MINI/Mini is a great example as well when talking about how big vehicles have gotten.

MINI.. not so mini anymore?


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The older cars are about the size of a Honda Fit.

Fit/SC

Wheelbase 100/90
Width 67/65
Length 160/169
The 911SC wheelbase is almost identical to a first gen Miata!
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The older cars are about the size of a Honda Fit.

Fit/SC
Here's a pic of them together. Pulled this from a post a few years old.




REVELATION!! The 911 is tiny

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Just wow.
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This has to come up...
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I did a morning drive with two buddies- One in a 991-gen 911 and one in a brand new Cayman. That's Lil' Blue in the middle:


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Most of the size is due to safety, whether due to government standards or manufacturer features.... manufacturers started adding bigger engines, bigger tires, batteries, dual-clutches with more go fast parts... then the safety features are added to offset the faster speeds.... air bags, reinforced shell, AWD, ABS, safety zones, etc...

Then you add in the features that make it easier for idiots to get behind a wheel and drive... and it makes for a whole bunch of bloatware added to these cars.
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ditch the "bloatware"! And the digital displays while you're at it. Give me some real dials, switches, levers and knobs! Much more satisfying to the touch and easier to use. Funny all the safety features that are needed to compensate for all the digital distractions.
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So, what you are saying is that I can't swap out the windows anymore with a new 911?
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So, what you are saying is that I can't swap out the windows anymore with a new 911?
Or doors

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If anyone has a new 911 that they think is too big and has too much stuff I'll gladly take it off your hands.

There's not many 911s over the years I'd say no to.
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E39 + 911 - my type of guy!

E39s were considered huge when they were released. Smaller than a 3 series now.

Try an e30 parked next to the latest model 3 series. An e30 is smaller than a 1 series.

Cars make a lot more power these days but they have a lot more bloat.
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Call it bloatware but the new Porsche cars do everything way way better than our old tiny cars. The new 911 just went from a 67 super Bug to a full super car. Say what you want but I have driven the new Porsche cars and I would trade any day if I could afford one. Come out of a corner in an old aircooled 911 and accelerate in 2nd gear, it is fun. Do the same in a new Cayman and you get pushed back in your seat and your face goes flat! That is really fun.
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It's the difference between driving a car and having it drive you, soon to be your only choice for a new vehicle.

Most of us grew up with a clutch and now you don't even need a shift lever. I've never left my car at the front door of a restaurant for fear the attendant wouldn't know how to drive a car with a clutch.

I like driving my little cars for the feel of everything coming thru to my fingers and butt (72 porsche 911 and classic Mini Cooper).
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Call it bloatware but the new Porsche cars do everything way way better than our old tiny cars. The new 911 just went from a 67 super Bug to a full super car. Say what you want but I have driven the new Porsche cars and I would trade any day if I could afford one. Come out of a corner in an old aircooled 911 and accelerate in 2nd gear, it is fun. Do the same in a new Cayman and you get pushed back in your seat and your face goes flat! That is really fun.
It's all relative... I'd say they don't do "engagement" as well as the old cars. When I come out of a corner in my 72 911 in second gear, the sound is so incredibly loud and visceral, and the gear so much shorter, the car so much more raw (no traction control or anything) that it feels pretty damn quick and intense... Same thing on my 991, it feels easier and less of an occasion, the gearing is too long, and there is much much less sound.

Does this mean I like the 991 less ? Of course not. Its limits are incredibly higher, it would trounce the oldie on a track or an empty road, it's got AC, tunes, soundproofing, and if I crash I might actually survive ;-) They're bigger because drivers got bigger, crashtest rules, stylistic considerations, pedestrian impact mandates, etc... We are never going back, regardless...
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Fair point Nick, I was probably making too much of a blanket statement about the current fleet of cars on the market. Porsche always has made, and certainly continues to make, thrilling cars.
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