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It's the way it goes. Remember VW made that really small car called the Golf?
Well, over time the Golf grew bigger and bigger so they needed a new, smaller car. Cue the Polo. Then the Polo got too big so the made the Lupo, then the Up...

At least Porsche is great at managing weight.
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It's the way it goes. Remember VW made that really small car called the Golf?
Well, over time the Golf grew bigger and bigger so they needed a new, smaller car. Cue the Polo. Then the Polo got too big so the made the Lupo, then the Up...

At least Porsche is great at managing weight.
And the Fox.
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And the Fox.
The Fox replaced the Lupo in 2005.
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The other night I saw a dark shape coming down the road opposite direction to me. I thought "there's one of those new Mustang convertibles". As it passed I realized it was a 991.
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You mean it's not? Precisely why I come here. So much for "good" advice. Now I have to undo all my upgrades because they are fake.

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Along with the larger size is way better handling, steering and braking and speed. The 911 was based on the 356 which was based on the Type 1 Bug. Thank God the 911 got bigger!
Better handling, steering and braking are independent variables when comparing bigger vs smaller cars.

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Which 911 would you rather get T-boned in? Here she comes in her Lexus SUV, phone to her ear and a hot latte in the other hand and she doesn't see you or her red light as you enter the intersection on the green. Or the guy in the lifted pickup who is high on his opioid prescription and climbs up the back of your 911 at 45 mph because he too was not aware of the red light. Maybe that's why 911s, and everything else, have gotten bigger? People have gotten bigger too.
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Along with the larger size is way better handling, steering and braking and speed. The 911 was based on the 356 which was based on the Type 1 Bug. Thank God the 911 got bigger!

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Better handling, steering and braking are independent variables when comparing bigger vs smaller cars.

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I agree that handling, steering and braking have nothing to do with the size of the car. This is something to which I'm sure anyone who's ever driven a 964 or 993 can attest. They're the same basic shell with more modern, well, pretty much everything.

As a society, we've come to the opinion that more is better, whether it's a fast food meal, our homes or our cars.

As an example, small luxury brand models do less well in sales here than in places like Europe where small size is a benefit due to narrow streets and lack of space. If one is spending luxury car money in wide open USA, we want a big car. And we can justify that by telling ourselves it's a safety thing.

When it comes to automobile size, how many of us have heard someone go on about their two ton prairie cruiser 1975 Mercury Marquis (or whatever) and how it's solid as a tank and would be safe in any crash. Uhh, what about seat belts, Uncle Buck...?

I realize that in an altercation between that car and my similar safety standards era 911, the Porsche would likely come out a loser. In that case I think it's mostly about mass. Quantity has a quality all its own. With all other things being equal, perhaps a larger vehicle is safer. Maybe.

Technology in the world of automotive safety has changed. A small car can be made safer, much safer. But that technology isn't cheap to R & D or implement. Unless mandated by authorities, many of our current safety features might not exist in the cheap, base models where price point is king.

Could someone develop an earlier form factor 911 with modern technology such as crumple zones, four zone air bags, self sealing fuel tanks, etc, to be as safe as any other modern car? Undoubtedly. But it wouldn't be retrofittable; it would have to be designed in from the start. And it would be expensive.

Porsche made the 964 more modern, to the chagrin of the purists that claimed that it had no soul anymore. "They took the 911ness out of it", they cried.

Well, yes, they did. Sort of. They took some of the vintage out of it. Porsche did it again with the 993, almost making it feel modern and attenuating some of the typical 911 idiosyncrasies, like trailing throttle oversteer, by implementing multi-link rear suspension. But it still looked like a 911, albeit with some cosmetic changes. It was still the same basic shell, the same size and still basically the 'same' car.

So, about the 911's bloat, specifically, and other cars in general... In my opinion it's a result of two factors: Financial - it's cheaper and easier to build in safety with size rather than technology, and customer desire/stigma - bigger is better.

If there was a desire, I'm certain Porsche could build a car that was very similar in size to the air cooled cars with the same safety features found in the current 991.
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The factory museum in Stuttgart has a silhouette illustration of the 911 over the years on display.



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Made me think of the 928 Rabbit
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Don't want to go off track, on Alpha's post, but it's Porsche related. Think of an altered Rabbit/Golf body on a shortened 928 chassis, built in the 70's. Here's a Speedhunters link:

Car Spotlight>> A Wolf In Rabbit's Clothing - Speedhunters
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