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puddy 11-09-2017 12:12 PM

KW suspension for 74-89 911
 
I see KW is now offering options for us. i'm curious who has used it and your thoughts? Does anyone know if the pricing in the link is per shock or is that for a set of 4 shocks? I hope its for the set of 4!

http://www.kwsuspensions.com/products/kw-suspensions/variant-3-coilovers.html
http://www.kwsuspensions.com/products/kw-suspensions/clubsport-coilovers-2-way/kw-suspensions-kw-clubsport-2-way-coilover-kit-porsche-911-g-body-clubsport-coilover-system-35271864.html

Dmitry at Pelican Parts 11-09-2017 01:20 PM

Hi Chris - the kits that they offer include all components. The V3s are an amazing setup for those that want maximum street/track performance - this is essentially a kit that is as close to being a full racing setup without going to the Clubsport option. I've been in a few cars that have the V3s and the handling is beyond incredible - the ride is quite stiff but not to the point where you get tired of it (IMO). The Clubsports, from what I've heard, are not too pleasant for everyday driving and are designed for a dedicated track car. Please let us know if you have any other questions and we'll be happy to assist.

billydeakins 11-09-2017 09:55 PM

I have the V3 Damper setup in my 89 3.2 and love it. Coming from Bilstein HD's, these are a very nice upgrade. This kit allows you to keep the torsion bar setup and adds adjustability on the shocks so you can run it as soft or as stiff as you'd like. Not cheap but a great upgrade.

eshtog 11-09-2017 11:20 PM

Great timing on this post, I was going to ask for feedback as well. My car is lowered to below euro spec and I was looking into getting raised spindles. I found out that you can get these KW coilovers with 19mm raised spindles under part# 35271064.

To raise the spindles on my stock Boge's I would have to spend around $800. I have had KW coilovers in previous "newer" car and I have always been impressed. Very tempted to pull the trigger on these.

1979-930 11-10-2017 05:58 AM

Not discouraging from the KW. I have not ridden in a car with one.
But another option if your looking for a performance strut with street manners is Steve Wiener @ Rensport Systems in OR. His custom valving of the RSR fronts is really, really, good!

Jp-oh 11-10-2017 06:25 AM

Totally different car but I had KW V3s on a B6 Audi S4 and they were very, very good.

Cory M 11-10-2017 07:15 AM

Discussed in another thread here:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/936550-kw-going-offer-suspension-parts-pre-89-cars.html

4flyboy 11-10-2017 07:24 AM

Curious, I have a M491 optioned Carrera. Factory wide-body with Turbo flares and suspension.

Will the V-3 dampers fit this iteration? I don't see it listed in the detail.

Thanks,

Scott

puddy 11-10-2017 11:10 AM

Hey Dmitry, why aren't KW options showing up in your online store, I see them at this link, but when select my car and click the link there is nothing there.

http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/performance/KW-suspension.htm

I get this:

http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/performance/performance-noresult.htm

Canada Kev 11-10-2017 11:27 AM

That might be because that page you linked to is for coil overs. As you know, factory fitment for cars 89 and earlier don't use coil springs. That's just my guess...

But you're correct in that they don't seem to list the V3 strut and damper packages for the torsion bar cars.

Dmitry at Pelican Parts 11-10-2017 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puddy (Post 9810131)
Hey Dmitry, why aren't KW options showing up in your online store, I see them at this link, but when select my car and click the link there is nothing there.

KW Coilover Suspensions - Pelican Parts

I get this:

No Parts Found! - Pelican Parts

Hey Chris - really glad that you brought this up; we actually did not have that specific one in our catalog because the V3s for pre 89' are new in KWs catalog. I'm having the one that fits your 75' added to the catalog now - as soon as I get a confirmation that it's been added, I'll shoot you a PM. Thanks!

Jonny042 04-05-2018 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dmitry at Pelican Parts (Post 9810176)
Hey Chris - really glad that you brought this up; we actually did not have that specific one in our catalog because the V3s for pre 89' are new in KWs catalog. I'm having the one that fits your 75' added to the catalog now - as soon as I get a confirmation that it's been added, I'll shoot you a PM. Thanks!

Still nothing listed......

I know these aren't big sellers, given the steep price and the established available options from well known specialists, but I am interested in them for my build.

However, I am having trouble finding out technical information on them, specifically as it relates to suspension travel in the front. Looking at pictures of the front struts they appear to be similar in length to a bilstein strut, but have the bumpstop located above the strut body (as opposed to inside the housing).

I did reach out to KW and although I received a prompt and through reply, it was an answer to a question I didn't ask:

"Thank you for contacting KW Automotive. For the front on that kit the extended length is 566mm and collapsed length is 393mm. For the rear dampeners the extended length of the shock is 538mm and the rear is 341mm. "

So that's nearly 7" of strut travel. But really who cares if only 2" of it is left at ride height, and the bumpstop is 1-1/2" long.

Like most of us I like my car low.... as a wise friend says, "Low is cool..... and you can never be too cool".

Howvever, last year I thought I should check how much suspension travel was left before I hit the bumpstops on the front of my Bilstein equipped 85..... to my surprise there was none, even at what I would consider a "normal" ride height:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1522942937.jpg

Ideas anyone??

Ideally I'd be able to get a dimensioned drawing of the KW strut and shock, or at the very least a picture of one with a tape measure in close vicinity :)

Cheers, Jon

KTL 04-05-2018 09:34 AM

Might be worth an ask to Clint at Rebel Racing, as I see he's recently started to offer these. I know he's had occasional issues with timely service and sending out parts. But he's usually very forthcoming with technical information. I don't think he'd be offering these for sale if he felt they were compromised in any way.

mrrolleyes 04-05-2018 09:49 AM

these have been in my cart for a few weeks ill be ordering them soon for my 76.

Jonny042 04-05-2018 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrrolleyes (Post 9989556)
these have been in my cart for a few weeks ill be ordering them soon for my 76.

I wasn't able to find them at our host, were you?

Cory M 04-05-2018 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonny042 (Post 9989380)
However, last year I thought I should check how much suspension travel was left before I hit the bumpstops on the front of my Bilstein equipped 85..... to my surprise there was none, even at what I would consider a "normal" ride height

On lowered track cars it's normal practice to trim the bump stops.

Jonny042 04-05-2018 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KTL (Post 9989534)
Might be worth an ask to Clint at Rebel Racing, as I see he's recently started to offer these. I know he's had occasional issues with timely service and sending out parts. But he's usually very forthcoming with technical information. I don't think he'd be offering these for sale if he felt they were compromised in any way.

I'm a satisfied Rebel customer and he is one of the other options I'm considering besides the KW kit. I know he offers shortened and revalved rear shocks but no mention on the site of revalved and shortened strut inserts for fronts. I've reached out to him via email. Problem is he seems to have two websites and two emails.....

My other option is Elephant - they offer services to revalve and shorten fronts and rears,
for $525 per axle, or you can buy their von shocks outright for $700/pair. A bit pricier but no doubt a good value given they can be tailored to the application. Of course there is no question about the quality or the service behind them.

Still hoping to find out more info on the KW - it's nice to see that they are supporting the classic 911 market, and I was impressed to see they actually have a chassis platform/dyno. The double adjustable feature would be nice and they are described as having digressive high speed compression damping which is on my "must have" list.

The KW setup isn't cheap, but in my case I have a set of brand new Bilstein front struts and inserts I could sell to make up some of the premium.

Tremelune 04-05-2018 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonny042 (Post 9989380)
"Low is cool..... and you can never be too cool".

https://images.cdn.circlesix.co/imag...7ac81ebcef.gif

The right tool for the right job.

mrrolleyes 04-05-2018 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonny042 (Post 9989737)
i wasn't able to find them at our host, were you?

kw-35271061

Jonny042 04-06-2018 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrrolleyes (Post 9990332)
kw-35271061

Ah. I was searching for KW 35271064, which is the exact same kit except with the spindles raised 19mm. Pelican should have it listed alongside the other kit but they don't.

Unless you are running 14" wheels or plan to in the future, you might consider going with the raised spindles.


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