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1967S Question

I have a COA for my 1967 911. It indicates that it is a 1967 911s Coupe. However, the VIN does not end with an S. The previous owner (a friend) said it originally had an S engine (now gone) and is equipped with S Trim, S Brakes, S Tach and other S indicators. When I inquired from Porsche NA about it, they said it was not uncommon in 1967 for cars to be pulled from production after the vin was stamped to be built as S models. Has anyone ever heard of this before?
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Looks like a potentially very interesting car with that option list, and no engine type. If it were mine I'd be doing a little more digging
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Forgot to mention that the vin tag is marked 911S in the top left corner
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Dave911L - I understand the likely use for those options, but not sure what your reference to
"no engine type" refers to.
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The one I owned years ago was stamped 3070xxS.
The next year the 911L had all S items without the engine
I.D be hard pressed to believe it’s an S without the stamp
I guess checking on the early S board there would be more info.
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I'd get a copy of the Kardex. It will answer all of your questions. Post over on EarlyS and several guys there can get you a copy for a fee. Your car has interesting options.
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Dave911L - I understand the likely use for those options, but not sure what your reference to
"no engine type" refers to.
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Probably just an omission, like on so many COA's. But just thought it odd there was no 901/xx next to the engine number. They recorded an engine serial number, which is correct for an S, but not the specs that serial number was built to? And equipped with sportkit II? I think if it was built as an "S" it would be stamped 308xx8S, on your vin tag, trunk floor, door tag, and on the COA. I'm skeptical of that explanation from Porsche. Yours seems like an oddity, but perhaps an interesting oddity. Get the real kardex, find out who bought it, where, and then maybe the why will become apparent.

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Here's another wrinkle.

The source I usually use, which does have some errors I might add but is usually reliable, does not show the engine number within the range of those produced for 1967. The listing for a 67S is as follows:

911 S Coupe/ 901/02/ 160/6600/ 179/5200/ 305101S-308523S/ 960001-961178*

*Edit: Just found another source that shows engine numbers from 960001-962178. My original source was likely in error.

Your VIN falls within the range of non-S coupes built in 67 with engine types of 901/06. The VIN range for those are 307351-308522, without the "S" stamp, as Porsche used the same bodies from the production line. I guess it would be possible for someone to "forget" to add the "S" to a body when it was pulled to be upgraded. Something to note also, the 901/06 engine change came about around 11/66 and your production date is listed as 5/22/67, certainly after the change was made.

Though the original engine is gone, that may have been the key to this. You could have a non-S coupe produced in May of 67, with S trim, or you could have a real "S" that was not stamped correctly. A good photo of the tag that shows the S may be helpful to determine if it is original or repro.

There is some doubt as to the S designation for that car. S experts can add much more to this, however. Kardex would be your best bet.
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