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Thanks for the feedback guys.
It's good to know this is not normal.

I'm going to try fanaudical's tips now.
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Old 12-02-2017, 01:05 PM
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hi i do not know if you have seen my re: but have you tried it when the car just sits?Do you feel or hear any clunk?
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Great memory, Bob !
Here is that thread from 2 years ago.
You know I got time for you, Bro.
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hi i do not know if you have seen my re: but have you tried it when the car just sits?Do you feel or hear any clunk?
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The bolts, #8, would be frightening if loose.

Agree. Sugarwood needs to get the car on simple ramps and have a friend turn the steering wheel.

I think it will be evident.
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........and to try to identify and replace only the "bad" part on a front suspension makes no sense (IMO anyway).
Dumb post on my part, didn't notice you had an '86. Kind of a no-brainer on a '74 to do a total refresh when you develop a little slop. Not so much so on a '86 however..

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It should handle like this



That slop is not supposed to be there, I'd start with with the steering rack as the prime suspect.
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Online diagnosis for the symptoms you describe can sometimes be hit and miss or just WAGs.

Don't know your capabilities and mechanical skill level, but it's tempting to throw money at potential fixes without knowing the cause of the symptoms you're experiencing. The strategy of hit and miss diagnosis can become expensive. Don't succumb.

In that case, you can hopefully find a trusted referral to a pro tech. who can properly diagnose and ensure the basic structure/system is okay or needs repair/replacement.

In addition, try to drive an equivalent car to compare and confirm you've grown past early 911 ownership. Newer is usually better, but it isn't the same driving experience.

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TAG, I have also done AX and DE in my car. Doesn't prove much.
In fact, that yank at :21 seems odd. You sure there is no slop in your car?
When you start at :35, you jerk the wheel again, and the car still appears to go straight.
I also thought my 911 was tight, until I started driving a modern car a few months ago.
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“It's good to know this is not normal.“
You could use a bit more confidence in the design-engineering of old 911s before assuming that your particular worn-out / damaged 911 is factory spec & everyone else's old 911s are like yours (& that’s been tolerated by 911 owners for a half-century).
I urge you to drive / ride-in every old 911 you possibly can. It should reduce your angst about how poorly they were engineered, how lousy they behave.
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TAG, I have also done AX and DE in my car. Doesn't prove much.
In fact, that yank at :21 seems odd. You sure there is no slop in your car?
When you start at :35, you jerk the wheel again, and the car still appears to go straight.
I also thought my 911 was tight, until I started driving a modern car a few months ago.
Drive someone else's 911. Something is wrong with YOUR car, no a well sorted 911 doesn't drive like a truck... Ferdinand is rolling over in his grave.
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Going through similar symptoms.

Thanks for your interesting feedback.

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the 3.2's IMO are kinda hung out between eras. they required all the amenities of a top of the line car of the day adding weight and bulkiness to achieve those goals. 1. comfort, 2. sporting in that order.

they seem to me to be heavy handed and under powered with my minimal experience driving them over the years. they are caught between the somewhat lighter SC and the greatly increase power, coil over suspension, and enhanced creature comforts of the 964 cars.

you've got all the down side of a torsion bar car without the lighter attributes of the middies & SC models that being lighter makes them fun as hell to drive. on the weekends.
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My E55 AMG has tight steering; as a modern car, it handles like the modern performance car it is. That said, my '80 SC handles just as well, just differently - it's like a go-cart on rails.
The SC is not tricked out - the only mod is a top mounted stabilizer... but, true confession: I went through the entire suspension system and refurbished it completely. It's almost 38 years old and I figure that my life was worth the money. I'm not the competent mechanical technician I once was and relied on a shop that is renowned for their knowledge of Porsches; it was one of the better investments I've made.
All that said, your 911 should - with proper care (and repair) - should be a delight to drive and inspire confidence.
I guess I'm just encouraging you to have a pro look it over, hope I'm not being preachy. Your life is worth every pfennig.
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a quick question shugwood, have you always had a short attention span?
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a quick question shugwood, have you always had a short attention span?
Maybe you can elaborate,
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OK, I stopped after the 3rd or 4th response: If this car so upsets you, sell it. Buy yourself a Honda (or some such). I've owned my 911 SC since new, bought in 1983 and I absolutely do not have any of the issues you're reporting. If you're so enamored with a newer car, sell it, buy a newer car. There will be plenty of people who will correct whatever issue exists and treasure the car. Life's too short.
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Maybe you can elaborate,
Hope jb doesn’t mind, let me try.

In two posts, you seem to have flipped from accepting something’s wrong with your steering rack to going back to pointing out the flaws in the 911 steering as in tag’s vid. That might be puzzling to folks here.

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It was not clear to me how a video of him driving AX proves something is wrong with my car.
Then I noted that his own steering seems to have play while stopped.
That now means I have ADD?

In any case, I took some more video of the diagnosing.

Here is a video of the smuggler's u-joint.
I do not see any obvious slippage.

I also turned the steering wheel while in Park. Keys not in car.
Can the typical steering wheel move this much while in park ?
As soon as I start turning, the tires can be seen pivoting, so it's not "free play"
Can someone post a video for comparison?

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Yes the 3.2 got fat.
when I owned a '74
I test drove a SC and was Greatly Disappointed.
the weight made it a PIG compared to my '74.

Now I have a '87. It's fat, but I use it as a GT,
and for that it is well suited. For the twistys, get
a lightweight sports car and you will be happy.

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It did not come from the factory with play in it. Period.
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