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I highly doubt there's a modern car with as much precise steering as my 87. Your steering shaft or tie rod ends must be shot!!!
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Maybe you can elaborate,

OK, I'm bored currently and have a couple minutes.

you came upon the pelican pier a few years back after as I recall you getting your current 3.2? am I on track here? then you proceeded to question the worthiness of a 911 for this reason or that across multiple forum venues for a response.. I'm not going to search out specifics, I'm not that bored. but as I recall you loved to stir the pot with some of the longies by questioning our love of the marque.

now you come here with a car that has clearly been neglected and want us to again consider your displeasure with the example you're driving. maybe you have not been asking the right questions here until now??

does your car have three mirrors?
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My car would have been making lane changes with that much wheel input. I'd start looking at the steering linkage.
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Hummmn,
I have gone from the steering wheel to the tie rods, with stops at the Rebel Racing Semi solid mounts, monoballs, shocks and the only thing left is the ARBs. This thing drives like I am holding onto the steering arms with my fingers. You have a problem, and if it means going to shops, it can get spendy very quickly. You might admit to yourself, maybe this isn't the car for you.
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sugarwood is jerking your chain and you people are letting him. bad bad sugarwood.
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sugarwood is jerking your chain and you people are letting him. bad bad sugarwood.

refer to post #34.
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My car would have been making lane changes with that much wheel input. I'd start looking at the steering linkage.
I posted a video of one u-joint in post #38. Any feedback?

Is the other u-joint located under the belly pan?
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sugarwood is jerking your chain and you people are letting him. bad bad sugarwood.
What are you talking about?
Did you see the video in post #1? Do you think it's fake like the moon landing?
I can assure you that level of slop is nonexistent in my modern car.
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PM me if you are willing to go for a short drive in my car and compare.
Our cars should have identical suspension and steering components.
We believe you. We saw the vid. You have an issue that needs to be rectified. My '79 tracks straight and true, has been for my 31 years of ownership. Recently had turbo tie rods installed. Crisper turning, no change in tight feel. Get your steering issue fixed. Report back afterwards.
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Unfortunately your BRZ is rated as one of the top handling cars right up there with the new 911s. A new car canít be compared to one 30 years old since technology has advanced so much. What mobile phone did you have 30 years ago?

Porscheís are not cheap to own and unless you have solid skills and a good tool kit be prepared to spend. Where I live there are suspension shops which specialize in high end cars as well as excellent Indy Porsche shops who will diagnose and correct the situation. Even with your suspension and steering at 100% with some really good tires you 30 year old car will never perform like your BRZ in the corners. But that is the charm of a 911, it takes mastery and skill to drive one of these cars well, and doing so will reward you. modern sports cars, not so much.
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What are you talking about?
Did you see the video in post #1? Do you think it's fake like the moon landing?
I can assure you that level of slop is nonexistent in my modern car.
Blah, blah, blah... Quit whining like a little b1tch and heed the advice people are giving you about your car's problem. I realize it's not really your MO, but try to step away from that behaviour for a little bit.

I think we all agree that the level of steering slop illustrated in your first video is NOT how these cars in good working order behave. Regardless that the newest torsion bar 911 is almost three decades old, they are still fantastic handling cars if maintained and set up properly, even if not up to modern sports car levels.

You have been given plenty of good feedback on how to determine what your car's issue might be. Perhaps take those steps to troubleshoot the condition.
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so...your steering is AFU. fix it or get it fixed.....or please sell your 911 and move on to a new Toyota.

After reading this thread, this is my take on it.....

I think that the root of the problem lies in the title of your thread...

"My vintage 911 handles like a dump truck compared to my modern daily driver".


Your 911 is not your daily driver?...that combined with the obvious need to provoke response has you definitely leaning towards the D-bag orientation......

"A man with priorities so far out of whack doesn't deserve such a fine automobile."

that's just me...i could be wrong.

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I find the 911 dynamics super pleasurable. The lack of weight up front, the way the car does everything off the rear wheels, how it pivots around an axis behind you, the way you have to transfer weight forward to get the front to bite, the way it squats and plants when you apply throttle mid corner, the "balancing a broomstick" feel it has with slip angle in the rear tires. It's unlike pretty much anything, and I've driven a lot of stuff real hard. There's a real, deep satisfaction to mastering getting these things to hustle because they're so different.
I think this is very well put--to me, the 911 steers a little like a boat; as you said, from the rear.
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sugarwood..there is obvious noise on your latest video..and yes there are two joints look for it...

you could maybe use a real joint to find the problem? Just an idea...


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right time to move on and buy something else. Give the 911 to someone who understands its value
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Really, with a friend and a car jack, I bet easy to diagnose.
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It was not clear to me how a video of him driving AX proves something is wrong with my car.
Then I noted that his own steering seems to have play while stopped.
That now means I have ADD?
You made an idiotic blanket statement that old 911 handle like trucks. you can note all you want, but all I have to do with my wheel is think and the car goes in that direction. They're that good when set up right. yours is not set up right. a big part of troubleshooting issues is using logic, knowing how a particular mechanical system works and then applying your observations of the troubleshooting you're doing. Poking around asking questions without following the already prescribed troubleshooting. *ALL OF IT* and then reporting is pointless, take it to a pro, it will be much faster and less painful.


anyway after careful consideration... you clearly got a defective Mitch Leeland bushing, that's obviously it.

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Thirty years from now, I predict the following thread:

"My vintage BRZ requires me to actually DRIVE it, unlike my modern daily rider*"

*will we still call them daily drivers???

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I posted a video of one u-joint in post #38. Any feedback?

Is the other u-joint located under the belly pan?
It's in the Frunk. You have to take the carpet out.
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Blah, blah, blah... Quit whining like a little b1tch and heed the advice people are giving you about your car's problem. I realize it's not really your MO, but try to step away from that behaviour for a little bit.
Fuuuuuck You.

I did heed the advice, if you knew how to read, you would know that.


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I also turned the steering wheel while in Park. Keys not in car.
Can the typical steering wheel move this much while in park ?
As soon as I start turning, the tires can be seen pivoting, so it's not "free play"
Can someone post a video for comparison?

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