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Do We Want a Plug-In Hybrid 911?



With alternative fuel vehicles becoming more and more common, it seems that the 911 is the next model to follow suit! According to CEO Oliver Bloom, who spoke to Automotive News, "a plug-in hybrid version of the car will go on sale near 2023, roughly four years after the redesigned gas version hits the market." Bloom continues, "It will be very important for the 911 to have a plug-in hybrid".


What do you think - Is a plug-in hybrid version really necessary for the iconic 911 or is this Porsche's way of "staying relevant" in the ever changing automotive market? Comment below!





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It's unavoidable, and it will likely be faster that today's GT2 RS.

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Why not? But it all boils down to cost & specs.
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NO, NO and NO!!!
The soul in any Porsche is the engine. Without it, then what's the point of owning one? You might as well buy a Tesla.
The point of DRIVING a Porsche is not about 0 to 60 times, not about top speed, and certainly not about fuel economy. It's about driver involvement, mastering the techniques of double clutching, throttle blipping on downshift, heal and toe breaking/downshift, the howl of the flat six at 7k-8k rpm, balancing the rear engine car on the limits in the turns.
An electric or hybrid could never do this. It defeats the purpose of having a sportscar.

A real 911 only needs 4 electrical motors: a starter motor, a wiper motor, a ventilation fan motor, and a fuel pump. And a flat six, naturally aspirated engine. That's all.
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I look forward to Porsche's take on a plug-in hybrid. I sincerely doubt they will forgo brand pedigree when adopting new technology.

The internal combustion engine does not have much time left. No point to resisting new tech. It's truly inevitable.
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I'm in the "no" catagory but then I'm old enough to know I won't likely ever own an electric sports car. Porsche will have to entice a new generation that won't include me. Of course whats the use of an electric sports car if it drives itself anyway or the next generation does not care to drive for pleasure or sport ??
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This is the future, like it or not. If Porsche wants to stay relevant over the the next decade or so, this has to be part of their plan. With Teslas new super car boasting 0-100km in 1.9 sec, Porsche will soon need to have that arrow in the quiver.

I get Fly911's point about not being the essence of a true Porsche 911, and there will always be us purists who long for the days of old (which is why I think the value of our aircooled stock will continue to increase over the longterm). However brand value and continued growth are always at the fore-front of any company, and even the 911 isn't immune to that shifting market. 0-60 times are important to a lot of consumers, just maybe not to you (or me for that matter)

I have to have faith that Porsche will get there, and still at the same time, preserve the heritage and experience we've all come to love. (they've been able to do it so far...)
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Loaded with electronics, and water too. What could possibly go wrong?
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I get Fly911's point about not being the essence of a true Porsche 911, and there will always be us purists who long for the days of old (which is why I think the value of our aircooled stock will continue to increase over the longterm). However brand value and continued growth are always at the fore-front of any company, and even the 911 isn't immune to that shifting market. 0-60 times are important to a lot of consumers, just maybe not to you (or me for that matter)
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In 30 years we oldsters are dead. Our kids were interested in Nintendo and XBox, not wrenching with Dad in his man cave OR seeking out whatever the hell Brian Redman did. Air cooled numbers (quantity) are in the many thousands, not millions.

Many savvy kids will buy the new Porsche because it will always be special by current standards. Albeit brutally expensive.
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I’ve always only owned aircooled Porsches and love the engines, but I have to say that the torque of an electric car is fascinating. There’s a company in England that has a video of their electric 911 conversion, and I rather enjoy the sound of the high winding engine. Different but still exciting. I don’t know that I’d bother with the hybrid setup anymore if the range is reasonable.
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Hybrid 911? Could be interesting but it will be heavier than the current 911 which, while quite capable and a fine GT car, is a luxury liner compared to the speedboats of the past. It will need to be designed as hybrid from the beginning ala the new panamera hybrid to take full advantage of available tech.

Tesla can’t get around Nürburgring at full power without stopping to recharge. Sorta dampens the day for most track guys. So I expect a full electric 911 would be only be built for what amounts to political reasons.

The ICE is nowhere near obsolete - reports of its death are greatly exaggerated.
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Loaded with electronics, and water too. What could possibly go wrong?
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Times may be seeing the end of the 911. Why not make it mid engined as well? Like the corvette we are getting close to the point where it is a name or a number and no longer close to what the original car was.

I say no, at least i will never buy one. If I buy a hybrid or electric it will be a sedan, crossover or the Mission E type platform.
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As long as it's not the only option available and we can still get a straight up N/A car as well, then why not.
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It is the wave of the future, so Porsche is wise to go this route.

But I won't be buying one!

I can imagine having an electric daily driver some day (I sure hope I'll be the one driving it, not a computer), but for my enjoyment of driving a Porsche, there needs to be the sound of an internal combustion engine!
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History of Porsche enthusiast response:

1963 - The 911 is way too big and luxurious compared to the 356, it's not a true Porsche.
1990 - The 911 is getting coil springs and power steering? It's no longer a true Porsche.
1996 - The 911 is getting water cooling? It's no longer a true Porsche.
2012 - The 911 is getting bigger and the engine is moving forward? It's no longer a true Porsche.

Face it, we're crotchety a**holes. As long as Porsche continues to deliver world class drivers/performance cars, I'm ok.

I'm not a huge 918 fan personally, but the LaFerrari is a real good example of how to go hybrid with not a hint of Prius aftertaste. And that's now 6 year old technology in a rapidly changing sector.

I think we're at 1 or 2 major energy storage and transfer breakthroughs before we are going to see serious decline of the internal combustion engine. Tesla, Pruis, the Chevy Volt & Bolt are various degrees of appliances, but they're very effective ones. The enthusiast models will follow once there's enough market.
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Electric and hybrids are unfortunately the "way of the future" but not because they're the cleanest and least environmentally detrimental option... The governments are pushing so the manufacturers are going where the money is.

Unfortunate to see and of course I don't want one
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It's inevitable, but just think of a golf kart.

That 1st push of the go pedal always is exciting....... at least for me.

Now, imagine that push lasting the entire time you are in it but with a much harder push.

But, there won't be parts for electric motors in a Porsche that separate it from any other mass produced cars I'd imagine. Meaning, imagine you no longer need to search NLA parts like you did your Mg cased 2.0L.......'cause it shares the same electric motor as a Corolla.

You'll probably be able to buy the parts to your electric motor anywhere....

I don't know for sure, just thinking out loud.
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I can see the value of a pure hybrid 911, but a plug-in hybrid needs a big heavy battery to be worthwhile. A Chevy Volt battery pack weighs over 400 lbs and it's only good for, at most, 60 miles. I can't see burdening a sports car with that much weight for such a small increase in range.
A pure hybrid could recover braking energy and provide a temporary power boost while using a much smaller, lighter battery.
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