Engine rebuilding class
 

Evening Pelicans:

Taking the winter off from any big projects following last winter's suspension project.

Too cold in the garage to work nights, so probably for the best...

My mind is turning to a full engine rebuild on my '83SC with 165K on the clock. I know the headstuds have been replaced in the past, so all good there. My issues are heavy oil use (I add a quart about every 500-600 miles) plus an oil leak at cylinder 4. Car still pulls well, but I def. wonder how much better it could be...

When I did my suspension I had that "what have I done?" moment where all the parts were spread out on the floor, and I think I will have that in spades on a full engine rebuild. Not saying I won't wind up doing the rebuild, but...

YouTube videos are only so instructive. I've been paging through Wayne's engine rebuild book. You can tell I kind of have the rebuild bug.

Seeing things done and hands-on is always best in my opinion. I saw a couple of threads on engine rebuilding classes, but they seem defunct now. Does anyone have info on a class that I've not yet located?

Thanks, Pelicans!

Oh man I feel for you. I wish I had a class to attend before my 3.4L build so to avoid removing head studs without heat, A BIG NO NO but lesson learned.

Bruce Anderson held these when he was alive. I believe his wife still sells some of the course info though it’s certainly not the same as hands on experience. Perhaps someone would take up the challenge to start offering them once again.

Fat chance that will happen where I live. Got pulled over by a Hi-Po they thought the 911 was a UFO...:)

Want to build your motor like this one........
 

Michael,

This was the 3.0 liter SC I rebuilt 4 years ago for a Pelican Parts member (James Wirth) who wanted a twin plugged, distributorless, individual throttle body, EFI, 10.5:1 CR, etc. Watch how this car passed everyone in the track including new Porsches.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LGSdRdyNVgc&feature=youtu.be

When I first saw this video, I was not impressed in the first few minutes until James started passing every car in sight. I just could not wipe the smile on my face while watching the rest of the video.

Tony

Jerry Woods ran the class I attended, at his shop. Bruce was there, but Jerry did all the heavy lifting. :cool:

Dude... you should teach the engine rebuild class.

Seriously.

Ive emailed Stefani to get a copy of the course material, thanks for the advice.

That’s awesome! Isn’t the boring part when he’s out in front all alone with no one else to pass? 😜

Check your PM for a reply as well.

There's some good youtube videos out there. You just have to weed through much of the crap and figure out what's good info and what's questionable. There's a Nick Fulljames guy on youtube that posted a bunch of videos years ago and you can gather a lot of info from what he shared. But you have to be open minded and not take everything he says in the videos as gospel, as he tends to ramble on about stuff and on many occasions his commentary is WAY overthinking things.

Don't just page through the rebuild book. Read it page by page and make notes, re-read anything you don't quite understand and feel free to ask questions in this tech forum or in the rebuild forum. You'll find a TON of information here on the forum. Search function is a big resource here. It's shocking how much good information is shared here on the forums

Wayne's book is a really good book. Easily the most comprehensive book there is on the 911 engine, as it has step-by-step technical information, as well as hands-on practical experience, from numerous sources. He compiled the book from sources like Bruce Anderson's Porsche 911 Performance Handbook (also a good read about not just engines), the Bentley manuals, the factory manuals, probably some good old Haynes manuals (not the new-ish ones which are rather crappy) and a lot of people who have worked on the engines for decades.

Man I don't know how you guys could watch Tony's youtube link for more than a minute. That camera pulsing feels like someone shining a strobe light in my eyes!!!!! :p

Introduction to Engine rebuilding seminar.........
 

Brian,

I thought about this a couple of years ago. I am a retired engineer/scientist and enjoy training people. But my problem is finding a suitable place to conduct this training course. The two-car garage I have now is not sufficient to accommodate a small group of 5 or less participants.

The course or seminar will be divided into several segments:

Part I. Engine disassembly.
A). Engine parts identification.
B). Engine disassembly, removal, and storage.
C). Parts inspection and specification.
D). Tools (standard and special) needed to do the job.
Etc.

Part II. Engine parts prep and machine works.

Part III. Engine assembly.

Part IV. Engine start up and tuning.

The course will be focused for people who wants to learn and know the basic procedures for engine rebuilding using a stock 3.0 liter SC motor. Subsequently, it would need some planning, preparation, and coordination with prospective participants to get this project rolling.

If there will be enough interest, I could set up a two or three-day course in June or July 2018. I will provide one (1) motor for disassembly, one (1) prepped motor for assembly, and a third one (1) for start up (optional). Depending if I have one ready for start up during the course of the seminar. I will do my best to save a motor during this week.

This is also a good way to meet new friends. I would not have met people from different parts of the world without this FORUM. Like to give back and share with others. BTW, I have to schedule a trip for my wife to go to Sydney, Australia or Monterey, California so we have the small house for our selves. Thanks.

Tony

Count me in, Tony if you decide to offer the class. It sounds like a blast. Thanks.

Steve Yeatts
Chapel Hill, NC

Tony, I am very interested. My 3.2 is not in need of rebuilding (yet) but I would love a chance to get some hands-on experience. As a local guy, I wish I could offer you garage space but my center city garage is pretty damn small!

Count me in as well Tony!

I am very interested as well.

I am in .

WOW, really like where this is going! Depending on where participants are coming from/willing to travel to, I could probably host a mid-June to mid-July class, here in the DC area, as I have a 2.5 car garage, would be great for 5-7 people. Can't say I have engines laying about like Tony does though (other than the one that sparked me to start this thread!). I see Midwest, Long Island, Philly, DC, and NC interest at this time, any others?

I'm in Princeton would definitely be in

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I would totally travel back east for a 2-3 day class.

There is a guy in Guthrie area that has built over 1000 911 engines. He does all the machine work right in his barn workshop. He built my engine. I figured his experience was worth the cost over me doing it myself. He mostly works behind the scenes and lets other shops take the credit for the rebuild.

I am in, I met Tony and can tell you that he is one of the most interesting guys I have ever met. Probably the smartest too.

It would be awesome if the class was recorded!

I stripped and rebuilt my 964 after reading Waynes book, watching Nick Fulljames videos as he stripped an rebuilt Peter Morgans engine, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEajH5xvMAo, I also bought the 964 engine build dvd from PFIXIT... and there was a series of assembly of a 930... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cokalz_cVM
And then there is this 930 being assembled https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MmSCxqnkZg

I think if you are a methodical and patient person, and prepared to buy some tools, it can be done.

Cut my teeth on a Peter Morgan book back in the 90's.

He is the most boring man alive but so damned thorough.

I really like the idea of Tony running a class.

Engine rebuilding class........2-3 day sessions.
 

Dear fellow 911 enthusiasts,

I was not expecting to receive numerous PM’s after I made the post regarding the proposed engine rebuilding class as suggested by Brian. A fellow member generously offered the use of his 2.5 car garage but it is located some 300 miles away from my home. Moving the engines, equipment, tools, etc. would be a big logistic undertaking.

My two car carport will be sufficient if I park my cars at my son’s house which is only a few miles away. So we could do the engine tear down and disassembly at my car port including some lectures. And the engine assembly in my basement (clean room).

Participants will have the opportunity to experience actual engine tear down and assembly with less stress because you are practicing using my engines under supervision of course. Three (3) to five (5) participants in a group or class would be ideal. The first semester starts in April 2018. Probably a good date would before or after the Hershey Swap Meet. Anyone know the date? I will be away traveling in May and August 2018, so June and July 2018 are next.

Waiver:
I am not an authorized or trained Porsche engine rebuilder. Have only rebuilt 14 engines as of today and only three (3) race engines. The rest are street cars. Not an expert but have good success so far.

Bruce Abbott and Mike Bruns were the two individual I considered my mentors. Who unselfishly guided me through the early days of my getting into engine rebuilding. I could not thank them enough. Last but not the least is John Walker. I have been calling him for the last 20 years for ideas and suggestions. With these guys’ support, how could you not succeed?

Tony

in for april

Tony,

Another NC car owner (82 911SC, over 216 k miles) here and a fan of Bruce's. I have had the opportunity to visit him at his shop in Nash County and spend a couple of Saturdays with him and other air cooled folks (organized by John D., aka GothingNC).

If I need a rebuild, I'd love to try it myself, but Bruce is 40 miles away and a great guy. Whether I try it myself or get in line for Bruce, I think your school would be a great reference for me and other wannabe apprentice mechanics.

I am interested in attending a class or watching via SKYPE (and paying for the privilege).

After seeing this thread, I thought of a guy (Jim Von Baden) on the Adventure Rider website who has created a cottage industry out of instructional videos on BMW motorcycle maintenance. Link below is to his site. He started with a couple of videos on routine maintenance and valve adjustments. This might be a model for you or others.

JVB Productions

I look forward to seeing how this develops.

Regards,
Sam

I am interested in this but have a few questions.
How many days are you anticipating the class to be?
What type of fee are you anticipating it to cost participants?
Are you providing the engine or looking for "donor" motors?
If a participant wanted to provide the engine, what would be the cost for rebuild?

Panorama last month, December, had an article about The Knowledge Gruppe, that offers classes for watercooled? M96/97 Engine Classes | Product Categories | The Knowledge Gruppe

A search also showed up another rebuild school, again for waterpumpers. Engine Rebuild School

Why not air cooled classes? I guess this is an outdated post? Bruce Anderson 911 Porsche Blog: CLASSES

I'd love to attend a rebuilding class as well, but doubt i'd be able to make it. It would be awesome to have it on live stream (Facebook Live or Youtube) for people who can't make it. I bet there's a pretty nice sized audience who would love to learn the ins and outs on rebuilding the motors!

Engine rebuild class in April 2018.......
 

Guys,

I started a separate thread about introduction to engine rebuilding class. For those of you that have expressed interest, please post your information in the other thread. So I have everyone interested in one place. I will contact you via email for the date acceptable to participants. Probably could do 2 classes in April 2018. Nothing finalize at the moment. Thanks.

Tony

I vote Al Kosmal...

There is a pretty good overview of the whole process on speedacademy's youtube page that was down with Turbokraft. It's several episodes long and very informative. Though it's not a complete course.

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Have you thought about putting the class online for owners who live to far from Philadelphia to attend?

All it takes is many hours... and much money. Given this is a quasi-volunteer offer, I think we should all be grateful for what's on the table and not ask for more.

As a teacher, I can tell you a taped / broadcast / whatever version would be much less useful than holding the parts in your hands and asking your questions in person.

. . .while we are dreaming.

Would be amazing for someone to do a class around building a 3.6 NA engine with those new 3.6 cases being poured.

The buy in to the course could include all the parts and everybody starts from the same place. Sure you can't exactly tuck it under your arm and walk out when the class is over but shipping is not insurmountable. Maybe dyno before shipping.

That way someone who wanted to learn but can't afford could build the engine for someone else selling at the end to pay for the course.

ok end of dream. This is a lot of work and it is easy to post a comment and move on. I appreciate all the offers of knowledge transfer in this post. What a great group!

Count me in. Currently rebuilding an engine

Tony, am thrilled to see the uptake on your rebuild course idea. You have too much to offer to languish in retirement!

Sorry if your wife now hates me... :(

Maybe if you make a bottle of nice wine for her part of the admission fee that would offset the annoyance of losing you to the garage for a few days.

It’s all your fault........
 

Brian,

This is all your fault by suggesting to me to offer an engine rebuild class. Just kidding. Seriously, I was not expecting this many people getting interested in this class. With these many interested people wanting to participate in this undertaking, I have no recourse but move the venue to a more appropriate location. Right now, the major predicament I am facing is to locate a suitable place to have the venue. The use of my garage is out considering the growing size of the classes. Right now, there are almost 20 people on the list and growing.

The main focus of this class is to show and demonstrate to the attendees how a DIY’er like me was able to perform engine rebuilds successfully using regular tools and techniques. In no way or manner I am professing to be an expert in engine rebuilding. My sole intention is to share and demonstrate my limited work experiences with fellow DIY’ers.

BTW, I will be celebrating my 75th birthday in 2 weeks and wish to give something back to this community while I am strong and healthy. Wish me luck. Thanks.

Tony