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Trakrat 02-05-2018 08:02 AM

which collet stud remover tool do I need?
 
I noticed a couple of different ones listed on our host.

I've been told to get the Snap On tool to remove my studs from the case.

Can someone please verify exactly which tool I need?

Also... can I use this same tool to reinstall my studs or a set of ARP studs?

Trackrash 02-05-2018 08:47 AM

Just double nut the studs and use a propane torch to melt the glue that holds the studs in the case. As soon as the old thread locker melts the studs will come right out.

You then should carefully clean the threads in the case before reinstalling your new studs.

Cory M 02-05-2018 10:15 AM

double nut worked for me too

proporsche 02-05-2018 11:33 AM

hi boys.i have been using for most of my 911 mechanic live Stahlville company tools stud remover.
Snap on tools are my primer tools and always been among USAG tools.
For the removal Snap on and Stahlville have the best products.

here
https://www.stahlwilletools.com/

Ivan

kevingross 02-05-2018 12:33 PM

Double-nutting is best if it works because it will not damage the stud's threads. Heat is your friend. Doesn't always work, though, if there is a lot of corrosion.

In which case, a stud remover may be needed. I have a set from AST, but I think that any reputable tool maker's version will be a fine option. Depending on how smooshed the threads get, you may need to replace the stud.

Good luck!

Mark Salvetti 02-05-2018 12:34 PM

I have one of these, but I haven't used it on anything yet:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00265M8N4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Mark

Flat6pac 02-05-2018 01:15 PM

Marks link is the one I use. It’s manual tool but works on the impact.
Bruce

mepstein 02-05-2018 06:24 PM

2-3 minutes with map gas and most studs will come out very easy. I know some guys do it without the gas but I don't know why. It requires way more torque without heat.

KTL 02-05-2018 08:16 PM

The Snap On collet style tool works fantastic. It works better than double nutting because it doesn't rely on the thread interference that double nutting creates. The collet tool works via a wedging action within the tool. The interior of the tool body and the exterior of the inner collet have a tapered shape that causes the collet to be squeezed very tightly around the threads. So the collet basically grabs the stud like a vise with matching threaded jaws, versus double nuts that are trying to pull threads against each other.

But I will agree that it's not an absolute must to have the Snap On tool. Double nuts work great for most situations. Agreed 100% with mepstein that heat's your friend. I say always use heat where you can.

So if you're someone who's going to remove a lot of studs, and they're stubborn studs like the 911 head studs, the collet tool is a REALLY nice tool to have. I finally decided to get the Snap On tool after spending a bunch of time double nutting cam housing valve cover studs over the years. For a while I also used a dedicated remover tool from Goodson that basically works like using double nuts.

https://goodson.com/products/standard-stud-removers

They don't make them in metric anymore and I wore out the female thread in the tool by needing to tighten it so much to capture the stud w/out the tool spinning on the threads. A lot of people will likely find that tight studs eventually booger the threads in the nuts and you eventually must use a new nut(s). Earlier this year I loaned out my collet tool and had to use nuts on the head studs. I had a bunch of sacrificial M10x1.5 nuts on hand so it worked out OK. But I ended up spending a lot of time on the job and junking a lot of nuts in the process, to get the head studs removed. I'd heat it up with the MAPP torch for at least 2 minutes and apply medium force to the wrench while waiting. They all pretty much came out like mepstein said- 2 to 3 minutes.

75 911s 02-05-2018 09:48 PM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1517899645.jpg

Only way to fly. No heat. Every stud came out perfect.

al lkosmal 02-06-2018 08:26 AM

Before I got the Snap-on tool, I used the double-nut method....both work, but the Snap-On tool is much faster/easier to use. If you are just rebuilding one engine, it may not be worth the cost, but if you plan to do this more than once....or you just like to have the right tools for the job, get the Snap-On.

regards,
al

frankoporsche 02-06-2018 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by al lkosmal (Post 9915832)
Before I got the Snap-on tool, I used the double-nut method....both work, but the Snap-On tool is much faster/easier to use. If you are just rebuilding one engine, it may not be worth the cost, but if you plan to do this more than once....or you just like to have the right tools for the job, get the Snap-On.

regards,
al

agreed:)

72911 02-06-2018 10:00 AM

One thing to point out about using double nuts is that you are stretching the stud/threads when you tighten them. If you have a stubborn stud that does not respond to heat with the double nuts or the nuts start to slip the natural thing to do is tighten the nuts. The Snap-On collet style clamps onto the threads and will not stretch the stud or mar the threads either. On our engines there are a number of studs that are highly stressed when at operating temperature so any extra added stress risers can cause premature failures. If you aren't going to reuse the studs then who cares, right?

Trakrat 02-06-2018 10:20 AM

thanks all... Can you use the snap-on collet tool to also install the studs as well?

Trakrat 02-06-2018 10:32 AM

also... what size are the nuts that are used on the studs? I need to pick some up at the local hardware store to give the double-nut method a try.

boyt911sc 02-06-2018 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trakrat (Post 9915961)
thanks all... Can you use the snap-on collet tool to also install the studs as well?



Trakrat,

You could use the Snap On stud remover collet to install the studs into the case. But why would you use a stud remover to install the studs? Install them by hand or use the double nut method.

My Snap On stud remover is so handy and effective that I could remove almost all of them without applying heat and using my impact wrench except for rare stubborn studs. The stubborn stud/s would require some extra heating to pop them loose.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1517946251.jpg

Tony

rwest 02-06-2018 11:02 AM

I bought this set many, many years ago just because I thought it might be useful someday and it will be in the next couple weeks!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1517947275.jpg

Left_coast*9 03-29-2018 04:08 AM

Anyone have a link or links for places to buy these tools, particularly the SnapOn? Anybody want to part with a used kit?

KTL 03-29-2018 06:33 AM

Snap on store has good pricing and quick, fair priced shipping

The tapered collet style stud remover is part number series CG500

https://store.snapon.com/SearchResults.aspx?q=Cg500&IsPartsSearch=0&departm entName=Tool%20Catalog

rwest 03-29-2018 12:37 PM

Search stud remover on Pelican and they sell the Snap on tool and collets.

pmax 03-29-2018 06:34 PM

Costly, cheap, cheaper ...

https://store.snapon.com/SearchResults.aspx?q=Cg500&IsPartsSearch=0&departm entName=Tool%20Catalog[/QUOTE]
$166

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00265M8N4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
$22

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-used-parts-sale-wanted/991327-my-14-head-stud-removal-tool-kicked.html
$14

Time for a head to head test ?

KTL 04-02-2018 05:37 AM

The inexpensive ones are great for broken studs. They grab on like a vise and dig into the metal. The expensive Snap On collet setup is of course threaded, so you need various collets for different thread sizes, and the tapered body & collet assembly clamps onto the threads when you cinch the body tight.

So basically the Snap On collet thing only works if you have threads. Works great for preserving threads if you are removing and reinstalling the studs. I use the M8 collet all the time when i'm cleaning up cam housings.


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