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Potential buyer fails to pay PPI mechanic

I had my 1972 911T up for sale in the fall. I had a lot of interested parties, one of which who was from the US west coast requested a PPI. He picked the shop for the PPI and agreed to pay for the inspection. The PPI came back with a few minor issues (various oil leaks, brake master cylinder, tie rods) all of which I had repaired. The buyer then decided not to buy the car even after we had confirmed the deal on a fair price. He also failed to pay his chosen PPI mechanic. The mechanic complained and we came to an agreement for half the $300 cost.

Let this is a lesson for future sellers. Make sure the PPI mechanic is paid in advance of the PPI or at least has the buyer's credit card info.

I did not learn my own lesson as I sold my 2010 G37S coupe to a friend a few months later. He had me pay the full cost for the PPI/safety when we had agreed to split it 50/50. Luckily, that half was only $75. He also will likely pay me in the future as he is a good guy and probably forgot about the split. Obviously not the same thing but still dumb on my part.
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Why would you, the seller, pay any of the PPI? It's the buyer who's not educated/available enough to evaluate the car you're selling. That's not your problem. The business arrangement is between the potential buyer and the PPI mechanic. You're not a part of the deal. Once you and the potential buyer agree upon the PPI mechanic, it's up to the potential buyer to call the shop and arrange for payment. Once that's done, only then do you schedule the appointment for the PPI.
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When I'm buying I arrange the PPI with my mechanic and pay it myself. I don't see how the owner of the car could be made to pay my debt.
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The mechanic had my car at his shop and $150 is a minor amount to ensure the welfare of my 911. I figured I would get it back. I did not.
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Buying and selling these cars is such an emotional experience. Never met an ex-owner of a 911 who wasn't sorry they sold their car. But times can be tough so there you are.

If I ever sold my SC I would have John Walker PPI the car and pay him, then use that information to sort the car and lay out the case for my asking price. If someone didn't trust JohnW, I'd know it was someone I wouldn't care to sell the car to anyways.

Different note, but when I purchased my car it was cheap and fast and I did not have a PPI done. Instead, I took the car to Denny at Aker's here in town on John's advice (he was busy) and used that document to lay out my plan of attack in bringing the car to my standards. So just a story on PPI use and how it can work for you.

Good luck on selling your baby. Hope you find a solid buyer with a real love for your car.
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On out of area PPIs, the owner pays me and then he can get a refund from the potential buyer. Been burned a couple of times. "I'll call you back with my credit card info, I left it at home."....etc.
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I bought my 911T long distance, sight unseen. The PPI mechanic brokered the deal and assisted with shipping, the paperwork and lots of other things free of charge. He made the deal for me and was awesome. It would be a shame to have a mechanic be left out to dry.

I am going to wait until spring before considering relisting my 911 except it is listed locally. I still love my targa but I want something I can rack up the miles in and not worry about killing the value and where I park it. I actually preferred it when longhoods were $20K cars.

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Wow, thatís a beautiful car, good luck, hope you get top dollar and have no regrets.
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If you can borrow the cash for the ride you want and can garage that T, I would not sell it at all. Maybe the interest you pay on the loan is essentially covered by the appreciation you can expect on the T over the years you finance it.

Very beautiful car, plus it is an early Targa, my very favorite.
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$150 PPI? What did he do, check the oil level and tire pressure? There's so much wrong here. Mechanic should have gotten payment details prior to accepting the job. That's pretty standard on such things. And I've never seen a thorough PPI be less than $400-500. You're a really nice guy for paying the mechanic, but he's got a few things to learn if he wants to survive in this business.
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Totally agree with Matt here. The PPI shop bears some of the blame.

Why would they release results of their PPI without getting paid?
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The PPI cost was $300 for 2 hours labor/labour. A leak down test was done with good results. I only ended up paying half as the buyer flaked on paying the mechanic. The mechanic shared half the blame.

The point of this thread is for future sellers/mechanics to ensure payment or credit card info ahead of time.

Thank for the complimentary feedback on my targa. She is a beauty. I don’t have to sell her but I have owned it for 13-14 years and I now have two classics to drive and I want to keep my dad’s 1968 Corvette which he bought new in 1968.

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^^^Wow, that Corvette's got fantastically grippy tires!

The targa's a beauty. Sorry you feel like you have to make a choice between the two.
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At Red Line we charge $150 up front to make the appointment. This way the "buyer" insures that the "Seller" gets the car to us on time. If the seller misses the appointment, then the buyer is out $150, so it's no longer our problem that the car arrives on time. If the cars a basket case, we only charge for the time spent prior to the red flag. If the inspection goes all the way, no information is released to the buyer until full payment is received. Very simple, works great (Matt & John).
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Thank for the complimentary feedback on my targa. She is a beauty. I donít have to sell her but I have owned it for 13-14 years and I now have two classics to drive and I want to keep my dadís 1968 Corvette which he bought new in 1968.
You need a bigger garage.
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I'll give you $22K right now plus the $150.
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On out of area PPIs, the owner pays me and then he can get a refund from the potential buyer. Been burned a couple of times. "I'll call you back with my credit card info, I left it at home."....etc.
Why not simply ask for a credit card beforehand from the buyer?

When I bought my 911, the shop called and asked for payment and a credit card before it arrived.
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Mechanic is an idiot. Don't give the guy results until he has paid the bill.
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