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NICE. Please tell me what Silver is that. Porsche paint code?

Although, when I purchased my 71E it was black, the original factory color was Silver Metallic 8080. however, when i had it repainted, I used the later Porsche color called Arctic Silver Metallic. (I don't remember the color code, but a quick search turned up L92U)

At the time, i saw some pix of Bob Tilton's 911 parked next to other early silver 911s and his car/paint just popped, by comparison....so i emailed him to ask what color his 911 is....Arctic Silver.....not being a purist about these matters, I painted mine that color too!
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Sorry don't want to hijack this thread but wanted to let you know your comments are great as I too am contemplating a respray in the future. I am doing most of the disassembly as I am on a budget.

My question is I noticed many of you did a windows out paint job. If you are just doing a respray of new glasurit (no color change) do you need to remove the windows or only the seals around the windows?
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Sorry don't want to hijack this thread but wanted to let you know your comments are great as I too am contemplating a respray in the future. I am doing most of the disassembly as I am on a budget.

My question is I noticed many of you did a windows out paint job. If you are just doing a respray of new glasurit (no color change) do you need to remove the windows or only the seals around the windows?
If you're gonna bother painting it, its worth it spend a few hundred bucks on the windows. Cut the seals on the front and rear, quarters pop right out and the doors just roll down and pull off the outside scraper. Super easy.
Buy new front/rear seals and scrapers and or felts and pay a auto glass guy a few hundred bucks to put them back in. Any body shop will have a glass guy.

It's money well spend and make for a much better finished product. And as a bonus you can polish all the glass really nice while its out and then goes back in with nice fresh rubber.
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Thank you!
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I'm in Northern Europe, and currently have my Targa at the paint shop for a full all-out job, including paint on some interior parts, frunk and engine room (both black). I did all the disassemble my self, but the shop has straightened all the fiberglass (a lot of sanding...), as I did all the rough alignment of the fiberglas parts. Total cost will be 7.500$ for a premium paint.


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Sorry don't want to hijack this thread but wanted to let you know your comments are great as I too am contemplating a respray in the future. I am doing most of the disassembly as I am on a budget.

My question is I noticed many of you did a windows out paint job. If you are just doing a respray of new glasurit (no color change) do you need to remove the windows or only the seals around the windows?
Every single one of my cars from various years that we have removed glass and rubber for one reason or another, we have found different levels of "decay"

From pealed paint with superficial rust to holes in the metal.

May be an east coast thing.

Worth removing them.
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Every single one of my cars from various years that we have removed glass and rubber for one reason or another, we have found different levels of "decay"

From pealed paint with superficial rust to holes in the metal.

May be an east coast thing.

Worth removing them.
hi, I'm in Merrimack valley, looking for a good paint job after door sills are replaced with fresh metal. Any recommendation based on your experience?
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I'm currently working on backdating my '75.

For me to disassemble, windows out, doors off, bare metal in a new forgiving to paint color (low reflection / no metallic) is $14k in paint and labor.
That includes fitting of the GRP panels and painting the alloy lid.

The guy has painted a few F cars and a Lamborghini Countach in black.
They do insurance as bread and butter and classic restos as well.

If I say yes now, I will be in line for this summer.

My car is pretty rust free and the above doesn't include rust fixes and includes jams but not the interior floors.

I'm getting a second quote before making my mind up, but this is one of the two places recommended by local car restorers. I was impressed by their quoting process too. Came over, made notes about each car panel, took photos and then generated a panel by panel quote.

I'm on the outskirts of Minneapolis.

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Thanks. Again sorry to hijack here... is there a big difference between a strip down to bare metal paint job versus a respray over existing good paint job? I have heard anything between $7.5K to $15K for the latter. Is it more expensive to do a bare metal job? Is there any benefits with that approach versus painting over existing paint that is properly prepped and its imperfections removed/corrected, assuming there is no rust under?

Thanks!
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Still, this has been a valuable discussion. Rarely are hard $numbers and personal accounts such as these shared. I'm sure many will benefit from this thread.
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we scared him away - he's at Maaco right now
Nahhh. He's a long time member here. You don't have to log in to read posts.

Like Trackrash says, good thread.
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Not sure what exactly is what makes paint job cost so astronomic in US (and I know in UK also) but over here it is much cheaper. And I talk about concours quality not your average daily beater crap.
My '67 with huge loads of custom metal work done, bare metal paintwork (every fender etc inside and out), truly professional level of metal work not some bondo crapshoot. Total cost was ~13k euros with paint materials included. Also don't get the prices of Glasurit 22 line, several thousand for those??? Had a calculation made for my Irish Green '67 in local Glasurit dealer with 6 liters of paint+reducers, epoxy primders etc, it all came around 700 euros total but I did not take Glasurit after sample was painted and it was paler and lighter in tone than polished original Irish Green on the car's dash. Ended up with Standox after guy came with spectrometer and measured original tone. Still needed mixing with darker green to achieve desired result.

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Not sure what exactly is what makes paint job cost so astronomic in US (and I know in UK also) but over here it is much cheaper. And I talk about concours quality not your average daily beater crap.
My '67 with huge loads of custom metal work done, bare metal paintwork (every fender etc inside and out), truly professional level of metal work not some bondo crapshoot. Total cost was ~13k euros with paint materials included. Also don't get the prices of Glasurit 22 line, several thousand for those??? Had a calculation made for my Irish Green '67 in local Glasurit dealer with 6 liters of paint+reducers, epoxy primders etc, it all came around 700 euros total but I did not take Glasurit after sample was painted and it was paler and lighter in tone than polished original Irish Green on the car's dash. Ended up with Standox after guy came with spectrometer and measured original tone. Still needed mixing with darker green to achieve desired result.

What is the shop labor rate where you are? With workmans comp, insurance, rent and utilities it's not uncommon to see $100+ here in the US.

Some lone wolf type who does all the work himself in a back yard shop can work for less, especially if he cuts corners.

To do a windows out, all panels removed bare metal repaint is labor intensive, so is metal work.

You can have several hundred man hours in a show quality car plus all the materials, 30k+ is not out of line at today's shop labor rate over here.

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My car has around 270 hours of work in it. No corners were cut anywhere.

This is a workshop not a lone wolf, he has done many cars before. And yes it is all official, my point is that prices in many places are inflated.
And looking at several "show quality" paint jobs while being in several countries (including US) makes me wonder what is show quality actually
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Not sure what exactly is what makes paint job cost so astronomic in US (and I know in UK also) but over here it is much cheaper.
The GDP per capita of the US is about three times larger than that of Estonia. This could explain part of the price difference in a labor-intensive task.

Also, how large would the medical costs be in Estonia if the car painter broke a bone that required a complex surgery?
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Also, how large would the medical costs be in Estonia if the car painter broke a bone that required a complex surgery?
Now that is a valid observation.

Say $75,000. Employee pays $212 per month and employer pays $917 for medical insurance. Every month, year after year, before and after that broken bone. (Just made the numbers up)
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Although, when I purchased my 71E it was black, the original factory color was Silver Metallic 8080. however, when i had it repainted, I used the later Porsche color called Arctic Silver Metallic. (I don't remember the color code, but a quick search turned up L92U)

At the time, i saw some pix of Bob Tilton's 911 parked next to other early silver 911s and his car/paint just popped, by comparison....so i emailed him to ask what color his 911 is....Arctic Silver.....not being a purist about these matters, I painted mine that color too!
Very cool. Thanks for your detailed explanation. I agree your Silver just pops. I bet pictures don't do it justice.
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