OT: How about running fog lamps??
 

Personally, I cannot stand these twits that run their fog lamps during the day, or on clear nights, with their normal head lamps. They offer nothing, except perhaps on dark nights on a narrow two lane road. Otherwise, I find them very pretentious. Worse, most of the fogs are poorly aimed so they shine in your eyes, both fore and aft.
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Chuck
83SC

Amen. I have often thought about mounting a swiveling helicopter search light (5 million+ candle power?) on my dash, so I could give a friendly "flash" to such idiots.

-Eric

Yeh, did anyone tell these people that fog lights are used with your headlights OFF and travelling at about 10mph in fog so thick you can't see your hood??

My solution is to flash them with my driving spots, if that doesn't make them turn off their fogs I figure they aren't actually looking past their hood anyways. And since my spots are mounted low like fog lights they just might get the idea that their's are just as annoying.

Note, I do not do this if there is anyone following the perpetrator, I don't want to blind an innocent bystander.

Robert

I don't even know why they are called 'fog' lights. They're usually so poorly aimed as to be useless in a fog. Funny, though, they somehow seem right at home on ricers.

You guys need something real to ***** about.

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Robert Stoll
83 SC
83 944

Any suggestions?

the family truck used to be an '86 4Runner, mounted on the tube bumper were 2 huge hella fog lamps, any chance i got to spot morons with those pathetic fog lights felt good, they're a distraction and hazard to safety

Interesting. One thread praising daytime running lights, another one squaking about how bad fog lights are. All at the same time.

My factory fog lights switch off when high beams are selected. They are on during low beam operation. They might be slightly useful in extremely dense fog, but are largely useless otherwise. Their pattern is broad.

I believe there is a conversion that can make them into running lights. Running lights would be aimed slightly higher, and would have a narrower pattern, for long range illumination. 100w bulbs can be used in the conversion, I believe. They would need to be re-wired so that they are off duirng low beam and on during high beam. I would consider this change, since I rarely use them now, but I'd like to have 400 watts of lighting looking forward during high beam operation.

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'83 SC

When I bought my car, the factory installed fogs were in place, so I kept them there..those thru the cut down grilles fogs, that lots of people seem to want to install these days. If I'd had my druthers? Well, I think the front end of an early 911 just looks great with H-1's, and no fogs. But, that's just my opinion.

When properly used they are a real asset. I have mine aimed out - tward the ditches. Hitting animals, especially deer, is a real hazard where I live.
Most cars I see don't use them properly. Seeing four blazing headlights comming at you isn't the safest thing going.
I can see a time very near in the furture when high beam will no longer be offered. It simply is not needed in populated areas. Just like daytime running lights, the growing population of the US is changing our lives.

People are idiots. That much is obvious. I'd love to convert my factory Carrera fogs into driving lights. I have heard there may be a replacement lense, but no one has ever answered any queries on the Rennlist concerning part #'s.

Eric,

Although not as dramatic as a heli search light, I have a 1.5 million candle power hand held cigarette lighter powered lamp. Blindingly fun...

Keith
79 930

I would like to convert my fog lights to daytime running lights which would go off when the ignition is switched off. How difficult a job would this be?

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Paul
1986 911 Coupe

Except fog lights have 50w to 100w bulbs and drl are around 10w, are either integrated in your regular lights which are hopefully aimed correctly and not as easily knocked out of adjustment or are a seperate, non adjustble light that cannot be aimed straight into your eyes.

Robert

OK, I'm wearing full Nomex as this gets posted.....

Properly aimed foglights are pretty darned handy in deer country when high beams are too invasive. The deer population are out of control around our part of Northern VA. Many areas are 2 to 5 acre lots, and heavily wooded. Deer strikes are common, and fatal strikes happen every year. The flat, wide beam of the foggers helps pick up the little buggers lurking in the woods beside the road - the very ones that are likely to bound out into traffic. Ask me how I know.
Before you start hearing bluegrass music, I'm talking within 30 minutes of the White House.

Guess I've seen 20 or so this season using the fogs that I would never have seen with low beams only.

Asbestos bunker doors are sealed. Incoming....

Tony K
85 Carrera


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Out in the dark country, maybe, I suppose.

But here in LA, where the streets are so well lit that if you forget to turn you headlights on at night, you may not notice for a few miles, blazing fog lights are not necessary.

My theory: Its a way of saying "Hey, look at me, I am "Euro-Style!"

Most are poorly aimed and a nuisance. Esp. with SUVs, that put them right in your eyes. Unfortunately, for MARKETING reasons every vehicle over $20K has to come standard with them.

There is actually new and even more annoying feature for people to make idiots out of themselves with: REAR fog lights! Now, you can not only annoy those in front of you on clear, well lit nights, but also get those in BACK of you! Full 360 degree coverage! And, that damn thing is really, really bright (bright red, brighter than the brake lights).

The rear fogs come on newer MB's, Volvo's etc. Have been a feature in Euro countries for years, but they seem to have a better grasp of how and when to use lighting.

TonyK - I have absolutely no problem with running foggies on the types of roads you describe - I mentioned that in my opening salvo. I am talking about those running fogs during the day or in the evenings on the Interstates and major roads, (Dulles Toll Road, the Beltway, etc.) or in downtown Washington because it looks cool. More times than I care to remember I've had to flip my rear view mirror because some ********* is right on my tail, usually an SUV, with all four lights blazing through the cockpit of my lowered SC. http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/smi10.gif

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Chuck

You know those lights on the fronts of rail locomotives? I wonder if they can be fitted to a 911? I think they're about a foot in diameter, so they would not be perfect, aerodynamically. But I think they are about a bazillion candle power.

Still, I think there is a way to retrofit existing Bosch fog lights to become DRIVING lights. Again, 400 watts looking forward might even enable us older superheros to see clearly at night.

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'83 SC

Can do, Super!
Hella makes a neat range of driving lights in the same form factor as the standard Bosch foggers. Intersport [local Pcar specialist] has a few in stock - the range is extensive. No problem fitting genuine rally spec flamethrowers if you feel the need.

Reminds me of my brother-in-law's oft told description of running [as passenger] a night stage of the Kenya Safari rally. Hilarious rendition of his initial relief that the lighting was so effective, rapidly degenerating to his sheer terror that there was no visible road for most of the stage, at an average speed of 100+MPH. The odd local village population and various rather large fauna wandering across the course are the high points of the story. Evasive actions were rather extreme. Great sport!
Tony K
85 Carrrera