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Erbe_911 04-27-2020 06:26 AM

Dropped off to get a line-item estimate for some serious TLC... finally!

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sugarwood 04-27-2020 09:59 AM

How did you pick that shop?

GaryR 04-27-2020 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarwood (Post 10842032)
How did you pick that shop?

I was wondering that also, so many great Porsche shops in CT, never heard of it..

Erbe_911 04-27-2020 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by GaryR (Post 10842108)
I was wondering that also, so many great Porsche shops in CT, never heard of it..



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Originally Posted by sugarwood (Post 10842032)
How did you pick that shop?



They're nearby and do quality work. Granted they aren't a Porsche specialist but they do restorations and restomods on all kinds of cars. Most of what I need done is more general than Porsche-specific (diagnose the brake issue, ball joints, shocks, shift linkage etc.) but if anything significant materializes then I'd reroute to a specialist.


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GaryR 04-27-2020 11:53 AM

Old air-cooled experienced Porsche shop is where she should be, there is really no other car built like it...

Bela at EPS in Watertown, Dan Jacob's Hairy Dog Grrrrage in Southbury, Auto Associates in Canton, Musante, SpeedSport.. there are quite a few expert shops out there!

sugarwood 04-28-2020 05:09 AM

I wonder if shift linkage can be considered Porsche specific. Just like HMO, I'd rather go right to the specialist from the get go. Let us know how it goes.

GaryR 04-28-2020 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarwood (Post 10843157)
I wonder if shift linkage can be considered Porsche specific. Just like HMO, I'd rather go right to the specialist from the get go. Let us know how it goes.

The Rubik's Cube of 911's... off by just a tiny bit, no bueno.. :D

911SauCy 04-28-2020 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by GaryR (Post 10842249)
Old air-cooled experienced Porsche shop is where she should be, there is really no other car built like it...

Bela at EPS in Watertown, Dan Jacob's Hairy Dog Grrrrage in Southbury, Auto Associates in Canton, Musante, SpeedSport.. there are quite a few expert shops out there!

+1 for Bela at EPS.

Great guy, no nonsense, gets it done

ClickClickBoom 04-28-2020 08:37 AM

Having read the thread front to back, NICE!
Having all the synchros go south at the same time is unusual. Shift linkage and bushings. The one under the tunnel is critical and after 30-40 years will occasionally fail. Clutch cable adjustment is critical, done poorly shifting is affected and anything but just right gives a very stiff clutch, leading to premature pedal cluster wear. The clutch was designed to allow a 5'2" 100lb female easy operation, when properly adjusted it does. Adjust to factory shop manual specs/procedures.
Enjoy!

Erbe_911 04-28-2020 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom (Post 10843473)
Having read the thread front to back, NICE!
Having all the synchros go south at the same time is unusual. Shift linkage and bushings. The one under the tunnel is critical and after 30-40 years will occasionally fail. Clutch cable adjustment is critical, done poorly shifting is affected and anything but just right gives a very stiff clutch, leading to premature pedal cluster wear. The clutch was designed to allow a 5'2" 100lb female easy operation, when properly adjusted it does. Adjust to factory shop manual specs/procedures.
Enjoy!


That's how mine is! Out of all the things that can fail, the clutch in mine seems solid and doesn't slip (knock on wood...). It's also super easy to operate as you outlined above; I drove a friend's '84 3.2 and his was waaaay over-sprung and nearly impossible to feather. Mine felt great afterwards.


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ClickClickBoom 04-28-2020 07:26 PM

The Good Doctor and his pack of Teutonic elves understand mechanics. If you do it their way, magic, not their way 1962 Mack Truck. There subtle differences between a hair too much and just right. Get an owners manual and read it cover to cover a few times. It will explain lots of mysteries.

GaryR 04-29-2020 11:02 AM

I say the same thing top you, as you have apparently already learned, as well meaning the Bronco rebuilder "experienced in 911's" is, you can't feel your way through getting an old 911 running correctly. Either plan on a deep dive into some reading on proper maintenance or bring it to a professional air-cooled 911 expert. Hate to see your dad's car (or any 911) end up worse off than where you started.

Erbe_911 04-29-2020 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GaryR (Post 10845103)
I say the same thing top you, as you have apparently already learned, as well meaning the Bronco rebuilder "experienced in 911's" is, you can't feel your way through getting an old 911 running correctly. Either plan on a deep dive into some reading on proper maintenance or bring it to a professional air-cooled 911 expert. Hate to see your dad's car (or any 911) end up worse off than where you started.


Appreciate the input! These guys have done a few, and if anything appears awry it'll get pulled in a second. I have confidence though.


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Larmo63 04-29-2020 12:16 PM

You will be glad you kept the wheels 16". 7s and 8s are perfect for these cars, yours is more on the stock-is side, so well done. I have Michelin Pilot Exaltos on my car. Nice tires and still available. It looks so much better lowered!!!

Great story, but fix up and drive the 993 before you dump it. You'll be surprised at what fantastic cars they are and they aren't going down in value!

sugarwood 04-29-2020 12:43 PM

Could it be clogged injectors?

J-Gel 04-29-2020 07:28 PM

Thank you Gary, although I believe I undersold my friends experience and capability with 911s, all the same I completely understand the sentiment and appreciate you looking out for the car! I definitely plan to use this opportunity to read and learn as much as I can.

Sugarwood, it sounds like that could make sense. I'll be reading up on how to check the injectors.

Otherwise, I have deleted my post from here as it seems I may have derailed the original topic and led to some confusion, Ill be reposting elsewhere. Thank you!

Erbe_911 05-15-2020 06:34 AM

Making progress, hopefully only another week or so left!

The project manager sent me a sneak peek of the refinished wheels and the new shocks. I can't wait to get it back!

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famoroso 05-16-2020 07:55 AM

Super solid thread and story! I just read it for the first time and very much appreciated the progression.

Also, props to Tremelune for his early post. I've always respected his opinion, but his post really encapsulates new old car ownership. We all have ideas about what we want to do and / or what would be cool to do, but... living with the cars first and then making informed decisions is absolutely the way to go.

"Over time, you'll find areas for improvement and personalization that are based on first-hand experience, for which no amount of research can substitute."

Truer words have never been spoken on the internets.


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Lovely car. Lovely story.

I'm of the mind that you should get this car safely on the road with a minimum of expense before spending or changing much more. You may find your priorities will shift drastically once it's on the road.

I've had three 80s 911s. The one that drove the best was the bone-stock car at stock ride height with stock torsion bars and shocks, stock rubber bushings everywhere, and 6/7 16" wheels. I'm not saying this can't be improved upon, but it can much more easily be ruined, particularly on the majority of streets that have bumps and potholes and steep parking lot entrances. The two cars I've had since have been lowered. Motion control was not noticeably improved and ride quality was significantly reduced. Steering is worse, unless you raise the spindles. Pushing wheels out also negatively impacts steering, and wider wheels make steering heavier (both to a negligible or significant degree, depending on how drastic the change is). Most go for a look and accept the compromise—which is fine—but I think it's important to understand what you might be giving up. A lot of "upgrades" you'll read about are geared towards maximizing tire grip around turns, and if you're not already sliding around on dry roads, this probably isn't an area that needs to be improved upon, and since it comes with downsides...well. It's costly to do right, and easy to do wrong.

Similarly, you may find a 350mm steering wheel to be irritating in the way it blocks gauge visibility and exacerbates heavy steering feel. I have one, and it's fine, but it's suboptimal. There are ways to mitigate the effects by using an offset adapter, and there is a current thread pleading with Momo to reissue the 370mm Prototipo, so. There are options, but maybe see if the current steering wheel actually bothers you during a run up a mountain first...I never liked the stock steering wheel on these cars, but my concern disappeared after the first drive.

The Wevo, on the other hand, is hard to beat. Whatever you can do to improve the shifting of the 915 transmission without opening it up is money well spent. It might still be worth experiencing the stock shifter first, though.

Get the car on the road, put a few tanks of gas through it, see how much oil it uses, and enjoy it. Over time, you'll find areas for improvement and personalization that are based on first-hand experience, for which no amount of research can substitute.

Hang around here enough, you'll soon come away with plenty of ideas (good, bad, and counter arguments to both—all costly)...


Erbe_911 05-16-2020 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by famoroso (Post 10867727)
Super solid thread and story! I just read it for the first time and very much appreciated the progression.

Also, props to Tremelune for his early post. I've always respected his opinion, but his post really encapsulates new old car ownership. We all have ideas about what we want to do and / or what would be cool to do, but... living with the cars first and then making informed decisions is absolutely the way to go.

"Over time, you'll find areas for improvement and personalization that are based on first-hand experience, for which no amount of research can substitute."

Truer words have never been spoken on the internets.


Very true! As of now the only modification I've done was to drop the front to Euro height, and all that's pending is upgrading the stereo (primarily to add Bluetooth streaming) and replacing the speakers (which are shot anyway) with better ones. Also adding a fire extinguisher. Eventually I'll probably do a layered wood shift knob with my dad's initials engraved but that doesn't really count as a mod.

I may start looking around for a 380mm Momo wheel, and I will need to do something about the headlights at some point for safety reasons. I like the old-school way it drives, though, so I'm pretty much going to leave it as-is.


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sugarwood 05-17-2020 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by famoroso (Post 10867727)
Truer words have never been spoken on the internets.

Yes, solid post, but it's fairly common advice around here.

"Don't make any mods, sort out the oil and brake fluid, and just drive the car for a season, repair what arises, and then after getting used to the car, understand why you think you need the mod in the first place"

Erbe_911 05-20-2020 07:39 AM

Haven't gotten the car back yet, but I wanted to solicit feedback regarding lighting.

I think I'm going to stick with the sugar scoop look, it's grown on me and it keeps the car as it's always been. For headlights, I've heard that H5s (right?) drop right in without modification. Is that right? If so, what parts and tools are needed and is it an easy DIY for someone who's car wrenching days are largely behind them?

Secondly, tail lights. My '84 predates the CHMSL and since lighting on this car is limited and because people are generally morons, I'd like to evaluate improving the rear lighting. Does anyone make an aesthetically pleasing LED upgrade for the rear that can be installed without modifying wiring?


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Rleog 05-20-2020 07:44 AM

LED lighting
 
For LED lighting on an ‘84 Carrera, I’d look over offerings from “Spoke,”. Jerome Joseph. His web page: SpokeWorksLED.com

Tremelune 05-20-2020 09:32 AM

You can sometimes just use Philips red 1157 LEDs in the bulb socket (DOT legal, which is uncommon). I say almost because the lighting in these cars sometimes switches the power and ground for bulbs, and LEDs only work one way...

Pedro '84 Coupe 05-20-2020 09:45 AM

I bought the drop in H4 assemblies and bulbs for my 914 and the 911. I was happy with them. The only reason I upgraded to true H4 assemblies and ditched the sugar scoops on the 911 was because some brain-dead mouth breather (seriously, you should have seen and heard this guy) smashed my driver's fender. I got the drop-in H4s here https://www.busdepot.com/0301600118. Also added the JWest headlight relay kit.

For the tailights, LEDs are a great option but I chose instead to install a 3rd brake light made by Hella. Got that from Daniel Stern lighting (used the Model 37) https://www.danielsternlighting.com/products/products.html. I can take a pic of it mounted on my car if you want.

Before the crash I was concerned about someone rear-ending my car so I added the 3rd brake light. After the wreck, I picked up several good tips from forum members that suggested daytime driving with the headlights on or better yet with the high beams. Too many distracted drivers and big trucks on the road so every little bit helps.

darrin 05-20-2020 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Erbe_911 (Post 10872853)
Haven't gotten the car back yet, but I wanted to solicit feedback regarding lighting.

I think I'm going to stick with the sugar scoop look, it's grown on me and it keeps the car as it's always been. For headlights, I've heard that H5s (right?) drop right in without modification. Is that right? If so, what parts and tools are needed and is it an easy DIY for someone who's car wrenching days are largely behind them?

Secondly, tail lights. My '84 predates the CHMSL and since lighting on this car is limited and because people are generally morons, I'd like to evaluate improving the rear lighting. Does anyone make an aesthetically pleasing LED upgrade for the rear that can be installed without modifying wiring?


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1) as Pedro indicated above, you want to use H4 headlights, not H5 -- the link he provided seems like a really good deal (make sure you also get bulbs -- if installing relays (which is a must, imo), go with the higher wattage 90/100 watt bulbs).

Installing them is pretty straightforward, remove the sugar scoop cover by unscrewing the screw on bottom front center, then remove the screw(s) holding retaining ring around the headlight into the assembly behind it. The one issue I ran into was that my retaining ring screws were rather corroded and ended up needing to be drilled out -- if you have trouble getting the retaining ring off, you can also remove the entire assembly by unscrewing the four screws that hold it into the headlight bucket to make things easier for you-- once the headlight is separated from the retainer/assembly, you simply unplug it, remove it and replace it with the new H4 headlight = the bulb connectors are the same as those on the sealed beam.

Once installed, the headlights will need to be aimed - good threads on this and again pretty straightforward to do with a flat parking lot and a wall

2) LED brake lights -- VERY happy customer of Spoke -- only have his LED brake lights right now, but they're NOTICABLY brighter than stock and easy to install w/o mods -- here's a link to the ones I purchased https://www.spokeworksled.com/product-page/911-brake-board-square-led-pattern-pair

Erbe_911 05-23-2020 04:09 PM

Inheritance 911 Project
 
Seems like good progress has been made on getting the top to fit. The Euro shops my dad used to take the car to were, putting it mildly, budget places and I've since learned (to my financial chagrin) that they almost never did a good job.

The fiberglass will stay, but it'll be re-covered and they adjusted it to fit much more tightly. Wind noise and water tightness were horrible before and the vinyl was ~15 years old and completely shot.

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Erbe_911 05-24-2020 06:42 AM

The more important news from last week:

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And to keep it car related, the Targa will be gaining a new Porsche aunt (her mom's unrestored 65k mile 1959 356 Convertible D, she daily drives a blacked out XF-S) and uncle (her dad's built-to-order 2019 Chalk over red Macan S).

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darrin 05-24-2020 07:11 AM

Congrats!!!!

Pedro '84 Coupe 05-24-2020 07:13 AM

Great news, man! Congratulations to both of you

Erbe_911 05-26-2020 08:31 AM

New speakers going in (covers to follow), fire extinguisher being mounted, and I believe we now have all the parts in from Germany to get this wrapped up.

Unfortunately the screwed up/bent booster rod seems to have weakened some seals in the master cylinder, which was replaced in '18, so that will probably need to be replaced AGAIN since it's weeping. Yay. -__-

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911SauCy 05-28-2020 07:54 AM

Fire extinguisher ^^^ Best investment yet :)

Erbe_911 06-03-2020 09:00 AM

It's back! Just over 2 years since we first got it on the road, the guys from Black Bridge handed the keys (now with Porsche crests!) back to me. COVID slowed down shipping but they still did a lot of work quickly.

The final, quite extensive hit-list was:

- ball joints
- shocks all around
- new ignition key module incl. new keys
- hood struts
- decklid struts
- replace brake booster
- replace master cylinder (again)
- shift linkage rebuild incl. knob replacement since it was seized on
- install new straps to hold the rear seat backs up
- buy and install H3R fire extinguisher
- figure out and repair why the battery is draining (turned out to be the frunk light wasn't turning off)
- plugs/wires/oil and filter change
- install new head unit and speakers, wired properly
- sorted out some decklid upholstery which was aging badly
- install new wiper blades
- refinish wheels
- repair headlight switch (half broken)
- refit and recover Targa top
- clean up and detail
- some other small incidental stuff they helped me out like re-seating the driver's door pocket

I've driven it maybe a mile and a half because I ran out to get it between meetings, but it drives completely differently and miles better. I've had so many miles with it all broken and crappy that I need to learn to drive it again, but needing more seat time in this car has never been a bad thing!

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Pedro '84 Coupe 06-03-2020 10:11 AM

Excellent! Should be good for another 30+ years

4flyboy 06-03-2020 10:46 AM

So pretty :)

BobT 06-03-2020 11:58 AM

Excellent! I have an 83SC targa in the same color, slate blue. Getting the car ready to eventually turn over to my son.

sugarwood 06-04-2020 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Erbe_911 (Post 10890145)
it drives completely differently and miles better. I've had so many miles with it all broken and crappy that I need to learn to drive it again,

How exactly does it drive so differently now ?
All you changed were ball joints and shocks?

Erbe_911 06-04-2020 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarwood (Post 10891574)
How exactly does it drive so differently now ?
All you changed were ball joints and shocks?


Did you read the list? Lol.

The shocks made a huge difference in ride, handling, and steering feel. The shift linkage was completely shot so it shifts much more smoothly now. Previously the braking feel was inconsistent (even aside from the binding) and now its consistent and smooth. And the long-overdue tune up made it run better and seemed to free up a bit more power. Also there's less wind noise now since they adjusted the top. Basically every aspect of the car needed, and received, some help so the net change is substantial.


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