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pampadori 04-22-2018 05:57 PM

Trouble with URO targa bar gasket/seal
 
I recently removed my targa bar and the seal that runs down the front of the bar to seal the top and the windows. Bought a new seal from host however I'm not happy with the fitment.
The side ends that have the felt on them don't seem to go down far enough to completely seal out the elements. I can see about three quarters of an inch of the side window isn't sealing with the gasket. The other trouble spot is on the top portion just passed the guide pins on the sides for the Targa Top. The sealed isn't wide enough to be pressed down into the channel and still fit around the guide pins.
Has anyone else had trouble with this gasket recently? What other options are out there besides the $550 Porsche seal?http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1524448696.jpg

john walker's workshop 04-22-2018 05:58 PM

Don't buy URO.

SalParadise 04-22-2018 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john walker's workshop (Post 10011518)
Don't buy URO.

Yeah, you got URO'd.

Be thankful it wasn't a master cylinder that almost killed you and your car.

It's time we all take a stand on these Chicom parts. It's getting worse everyday. I ordered some motor mounts on here - and guess what? They smell so bad and they are so slimey that they drip black stuff.

Problem is that there are few options other than the real Porsche stuff if you want it to fit properly.

Jack Stands 04-23-2018 07:00 AM

On any issues on Targa tops or seals, I would always defer to Dan at CarsInc for his recommendations.

911SauCy 04-23-2018 09:49 AM

Problem is you opted for the cheap part, got what you paid for.

URO is garbage, I actually can't believe Wayne puts his name on it.

ryans65 04-23-2018 10:03 AM

I ordered a windshield seal for my W108 and three glass guys could not get the glass to fit in the channel. It was literally not usable. I ordered the mercedes gasket and it roped in perfectly on the first try. Pelican needs to dump this brand.

HarryD 04-23-2018 11:08 AM

When I did mine I opted for the mid priced OEM seal. No issues.

UROParts 04-23-2018 11:42 AM

< 4/25 Edit: Deleted Stoddard web site photo of a modified and improperly-installed seal. >

Very sorry for the trouble, I'll go pull our OEM sample and compare its dimensions to seals from inventory.

Regarding the middle of the seal, it's necessary for the top section to be a very tight fit and stretched to fit the guide pins (warming the seal in the sun or inside a pillowcase in a clothes drier makes it softer and easier to stretch), otherwise the installed seal can sag and fit poorly. This is by design, and the installation effort is worth the final result.

If someone is doing a meticulous restoration and doesn't mind some extra labor, you can use a coupe door seal (of any brand) instead of the targa door seal. Rough-cut the ends about an inch too long to make it easier to work with, then carefully trim the ends for a fit that's more exact than factory.

Hope that helps! If anyone has any questions or feedback regarding any URO items they've purchased, please feel free to contact us at "sales @ uro parts . com" (remove spaces).

universeman 04-23-2018 02:19 PM

Sorry, URO, but that picture is horse*****. The seam being there is wrong, it is ripe for leakage into the door and the car, and it looks like poo.

If that's your position on this matter, I think your design guys should spend some time looking at how the factory Porsche seal works. The fat part of the seal stops at the door top.

UROParts 04-23-2018 02:22 PM

We sell several hundred of these seals a year without complaints, but we're always open to improvements whenever possible. I'll report back on the measurements.

universeman 04-23-2018 02:22 PM

Reference for proper fitment of targa seal
 
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1524522125.jpg

universeman 04-23-2018 02:25 PM

PS I had one of your seals in my targa. I did not complain, I just replaced it with the proper seal after I saw what your seal was like in the car. I did the same with the windshield seal, and chalked the whole thing up to "Don't buy URO" which is why your company suffers from this reputation on this board.

I'm not trying to bash you guys, because I do understand the adage "you get what you pay for" and your products do cost a lot less than Porsche or OEM...however this board is full of enthusiasts who tend to be more detail-oriented than average, so you may be fighting a losing battle here.

If you are open to improvement ideas on this seal, (1) make it longer so that the business part of it touches the door top when installed, (2) switch from the flocking-type material you're using to a cloth material (the flocking wears off when the window goes up and down, ask me how I know), and (3) consider doing some kind of innovation like adding an internal drain tube that positively slots into the door seal, now that would be an improvement that would cause people to consider URO.

Hi_Fi_Guy 04-23-2018 05:22 PM

Agreed. Make the URO seal somehow better than the original. Work to make the install better than the original. Make strides to meet and exceed the customer's expectations and watch the company's reputation go up exponentially.

whitesell81 04-24-2018 07:07 AM

We've seen them moving into the 914 market same MO. I'd be happy to look into making this part correctly. many of you probably don't know who 914rubber is, but we've been making 914 parts for over a decade, and our reputation in the 914 community speaks for itself.

I think this may be a good part to look at. What is the OEM part number?

3Ddesigns911 04-24-2018 07:27 AM

Speaking of URO seals, what's the word on the windshield seals? I need to replace mine, should I venture URO or it's a bad idea?

mepstein 04-24-2018 08:20 AM

The windshield seal is one that you need to buy the best you can get. The URO seal “fits” like it’s made for a different car.

Hi_Fi_Guy 04-24-2018 08:28 AM

Here are the original part numbers for the seals that attach to the targa bar and windshield header for 911 Targa models. I'm not sure if there is one part number for all years or if the piece changed over the years.

Roof Seal - Roof to Roll Bar
Part #: 901-565-091-44


Roof Seal - Roof to Windshield Frame
Part #: 911-565-090-47

Some people may also have use for these seals that attach to the targa top itself

Lateral Roof Seal (Left)
Part #: 911-565-259-40

Lateral Roof Seal (Right)
Part #: 911-565-260-40


Quote:

Originally Posted by whitesell81 (Post 10013331)
We've seen them moving into the 914 market same MO. I'd be happy to look into making this part correctly. many of you probably don't know who 914rubber is, but we've been making 914 parts for over a decade, and our reputation in the 914 community speaks for itself.

I think this may be a good part to look at. What is the OEM part number?


UROParts 04-24-2018 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3Ddesigns911 (Post 10013354)
Speaking of URO seals, what's the word on the windshield seals? I need to replace mine, should I venture URO or it's a bad idea?

Hi 3D, we completely redesigned Windshield Seal 911 541 225 03 six months ago, and just put the first production run into inventory. In response to shops asking if the lip could be widened to better cover the body seam at the top corners, we added 3mm to the lip width, which should be a really nice upgrade.

PM us your shipping details, and we'll be happy to ship you one of the new seals for your inspection and review on the forum.

EDIT 5/30/18: Here is 3Ddesigns911's review of our redesigned windshield seal: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/998122-re-designed-new-uro-windshield-seal-review.html

3Ddesigns911 04-24-2018 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UROParts (Post 10013493)
Hi 3D, we completely redesigned Windshield Seal 911 541 225 03 six months ago, and just put the first production run into inventory. In response to shops asking if the lip could be widened to better cover the body seam at the top corners, we added 3mm to the lip width, which should be a really nice upgrade.

PM us your shipping details, and we'll be happy to ship you one of the new seals for your inspection and review on the forum.

The thing is I already have one of your seals that I bought last year. Since you re designed it, the old one must not be very good. Can you swap my old one for one of your new designs?

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UROParts 04-24-2018 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hi_Fi_Guy (Post 10012788)
Agreed. Make the URO seal somehow better than the original. Work to make the install better than the original. Make strides to meet and exceed the customer's expectations and watch the company's reputation go up exponentially.

One of our engineers took a close look at this targa seal (which we started selling in 2007), and found areas where it could be improved. Thanks to everyone's constructive feedback, we are going to re-develop this part from scratch. It will probably take six to twelve months, and we'll be sure to let everyone know when the redesigned seal is available.

In the meantime, we'll contact pampadori and universeman to make things right with them. If anyone else purchased this seal (or the windshield seal) and was dissatisfied, please contact us at "sales @ uro parts . com" (remove spaces).


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