Does rolling the fenders devalue a 911?
 

Does rolling the fenders on a 911 devalue the car?

I have a 1984 911 3.2 with original paint in great condition. The car is sitting on 930 fuchs 7x16 with 205/55/16 up front and 9x16 with 245/50/16 in the rear. The fitment is near perfect unless I drive up any slight incline in which case my front right fender will rub. The obvious solution is to roll the fenders but I don't want to hurt the resale value.

A little negative camber will help. Also make sure that there is nothing loose in the front suspension. Like strut inserts, wheel bearings, and ball joints.

I doubt rolling the fenders will devalue your car, unless it is a low mileage, concours winning car.

Depends on what matters to the next buyer. It would likely be a strike to someone focused on originality. To others more concerned about driveabity and other things, probably not a huge deal. I wouldn’t care.

You might want to start with your set up as it sounds like it doesn’t take much to get a rub.

Regardless, I wouldn't do it if I had the least concern. The next owner will thank you.


Cheers,

Joe
87 Carrera

Go ahead it's your car

I don't think rolling the fenders will effect it's value, just rolling the car.

In 40 years of life lots of things will have happened to the car. The least of all is having the fenders rolled.

A lot of these cars rub with 205s on 7s. Mine did, too. If it does it a lot, perhaps you should have your alignment checked. you an get away with a bit of camber up front (check other threads here to determine what would be good for your use).

If that doesn't solve it, I wouldn't get all concerned about rolling your fenders. Especially on a 3.2 which aren't all that rare. It doesn't do any damage unless you rush through it and don't heat your paint and it cracks. If you're super worried, get some 6x16s and use those up front or raise your car back up to factory height.

It will definitely, positively effect value. No doubt. But if that's keeping you from doing it, and you're planning on keeping it anyway, then I would do it.

Most people won’t even notice. If they do and it bothers them, they can move on. In other words it will not negatively impact value for most buyers including the ones you want.

Will oversize tires affect the value? Will a bent fender lip, from the tire catching affect the value? Decisions, decisions....

On a Hot Rod...No

On a numbers matching unmolested (including daily drivers) car...Yes. How much $ depends on buyer.

Just my opinion...


Rahl

Hey guys, thanks for all the responses. I got new 205/55/16 tires on the front this morning and to my surprise they don’t rub at all even on my steep driveway incline : ) No rolling necessary.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1526143540.jpg

Great looking. Take for a spirited drive then determine. I don’t think rolling the fenders has any impact.

Didn’t think mine needed them done on my Euro ride height until caught a lip on a spirited drive on a sharp corner. Only slightly pulled down the lip and sliced the tire. Got it fixed and then rolled all the fenders. When I sold it, being a low numbers highly desirable early car, the rolled fenders never played into the sales price. The car was a solid 8.

I would do it for peace of mind and did it on my current high numbers, not so desirable impact bumper car.

Ignore all of the above if you have a very low mileage virtually pristine car which is a 10.

RSBob has a good point, most likely that you're going to catch your tire on the fender lip while turning (and hitting a bump) -- better to roll the fenders under controlled circumstances than risk having the tire pull down the fender lip under uncontrolled circumstances (BTDT)

Nice looking car Ralph.

No, if it is done right.

So, I went for a test drive with a passenger and the passenger fender did start to rub a bit again. Going to try to add some negative camber and then roll if that doesn’t fix it. Thanks again for all the replies!

Any concern for dirt and water getting caught in the folded lip and rusting? Or is that just the next guys problem?

Rahl

I’m hoping I won’t have to roll them flat, just at a slight angle so I can still clean up there. But I’m in Socal so I don’t have to worry much about water.

You don't need to roll the whole thing. Just the area in the middle.

That is an interesting observation.

I had thought that rolling would just curve the lip upwards to be out of the way.

OTOH, I pounded mine flat. I think I got carried away. I'm not sure if pounding them flat is really necessary.

If you can roll the fender lip without damaging the paint.............., resale value probably won't be affected. Research the method and plan ahead.

Rolling the edge will create a folded edge, like a taco. Since this shape traps moisture, it will eventually cause corrosion. Plan on cleaning and filling with caulk or equiv. to avoid trapped moisture.

I suggest grinding off interfering metal (w/o overheating and burning the paint). Additional clearance possible (if needed) compared to folding over the edge.

Sherwood

simple answer? NO.. it won't affect value. A perfect 911 with rolled fenders will ALWAYS fetch more money than a tired 911 with fenders that had never been rolled.

Point being.. rolled fenders won't make a bit of difference if you take care of everything else.

The importance is making sure the fenders are rolled right. I've seen some idiots using a baseball bat to roll the fenders and it was amateur at best.
Just do it right and you'll never lose any value.

That might qualify as a non sequitur, an apples vs oranges comparison or a no-brainer.

How about...
Which one of two tired 911s is worth more; one with rolled fenders or one w/o?
or
Which one of two perfect 911s is worth more; one with rolled fenders or one w/o?

The answers may or may not be the same.

S

Well... as we all know... NO TWO PORSCHES ARE ALIKE... ;)

yes it drops in value. No doubt

isn't adding negative camber going to cause the inside edges of your front tires to wear faster than the rest of the tire? If so, might want to leave camber alone and roll the offending fender.

I rolled my fenders on a car and it actually increased the value... go figure

To me, one with rolled fenders and nice paint would be more desirable as I wouldn't have to worry about catching a fender edge during compression on a tighter turn and screwing up the fender. It makes the car more robust and less liekly to slice a tire.

Possibly, if you overfold the metal or crack the paint on a pristine car, then it could devalue it. If you use the proper fender roller, a heat gun, and make it nice transitional shape, then it will look factory and increase the car's value :). Below is a $50 Ebay fender roller slot cutted to fit the 130mm Porsche bolt circle.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1526322987.JPG

Make a transition from square to folded with a gradual taper. Heat and patience with the roller and heat gun. You don't need to completely fold the metal, keep a rolled edge and only fold what you need, which is between the 11:00 to 1:00 position, and likely just a 45 degree fold is all you need. This is what I needed for 225/17s Direzzas on the front:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1526323092.JPG

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1526323231.JPG

As a comparison, this is how the fenders are rolled from the factory on a GT3:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1526323302.JPG


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1526323315.JPG

Sorry to hijack a bit - Steve how do you like the KW shocks?

Johan

I think its not about wether it will affect the value ( some of these comments just make me laugh actually ) .

it will definitely affect the pool size of which you can sell too. If you are assuming you can pick who is going to buy your car and choose only the buyers you want that is insane business thinking.

There are those who believe that rolling fenders take away some structural rigidity to the fender and it can cause some creasing in the panels. whether you believe it or not is irrelevant, but you will turn off people who thought Porsche new what they were doing and don't believe you new better by rolling it with a baseball bat and stuffing oversized tires in there. I believe as these cars get older the higher value will go to the original clean unmolested examples.
The buyers looking for these cars are knowledgeable so don't underestimate them .
When I am looing at Porsches even casually I feel under the fender, when I was looking for mine I walked away immediately when I felt a fender roll as I felt it had been molested , rightly or wrongly. .

anyway just my 2c . I am sure there are those who will strongly disagree.

But I do agree if you are keeping the car for you , do it for you , but if you are concerned about resale , I would think twice.

I'll save that review for another thread, but they are very trick. True digressive valves to blow off sharp impacts, with 2 way independently adjustable 15 click compression and rebound. So you could firm up the slow speed compression and rebound settings for better response and stability while maintaining comfort on rough roads, which translates to better traction with the tire following the road irregularities better. The version I have has the 19mm raised spindles. In addition the overall shock body is about 15-20mm shorter than a standard Bilstein, so its like modifying a Bilstein with a shorter seal cap increasing travel. In addition there's another 15mm hard spacer that could be not installed, giving you a total of another 2" in travel over a standard strut before hitting the bumpstops.