1965-67 912... 830 vs. 740 motors

[RatBox]

I was shifting through my files , and I looked at this Factory Service Bulletin concerning the introduction of the 912 model (titled , "Subject : Introduction of Vehicle Type 912").

Even though it is in english text. , and has at the right top - Oct. / 1965. That is just the referance showing when they would be going "abroad".

This document was actually printed on April 27, 1965 in Stuttgart-Zuffenhausen , Germany. And it is specifically noted to take effect April 5, 1965.


If you look closely at "Engine Numbers" ....... you will read :

"Type 912 (internal 616/36)
with heater for Sweden and Germany beginning 830 001

with export heater 740 001 ".






So according to this factory documentation . 830 001 motors were intended for Sweden & Germany. 740 001 motors were for everywhere else.


Anyone have a Factory documented (Kardex only , or original delivery or sales docs. ...if they show engine no.) 1965 - 1967 912 that shows it was produced with an 830 001 motor . And was delivered to anywhere other than Germany or Sweden ?

[Neil '67 911S]

"Type 912 (internal 616/36)
with heater for Sweden and Germany beginning 830 001
with export heater 740 001 ".

The 'European Heater was required by German Law. I didn't know about Sweden. Like the fresh-air VW, these employed a heat exchangers wrapped around the exhaust header from cylinders 1 and 3. A bog nozzle located on the right side of the fan shroud blew fresh air into these heat exchangers, that air then flowed in to the cabin.

Like the stale air VW, the rest of the world heaters catch the cooling air after it blows through the heads and cylinders. If the exhaust system leaks, CO blows into the cabin, as well as oil fumes. The fan shroud, lower engine sheet metal and the muffler are unique for a European heater 356/912.

[RatBox]

Anyone have any photo's pointing out the differances in a Euro ( DE / SWE) 912 muffler from the other type ?


And anyone know if UK market cars got the 740 or the 830 motors ?

Also , are hazard flashers an option or standard on European 912's. They seem to be on most of the European delivered cars i've seen (1965 - 67 MY) . And it is not listed on the Kardex of one I have looked at , and the the car has it fitted from the factory. So it would seem they were either standard equipment. Or the option listing for them was left off this particular cars Kardex.

Thx

[Jaems]

My Euro delivery came with the hazard flashers and it was not listed on my Kardex. It may mean that certain countries required them. I got my Kardex years ago from the factory. The cars that were for Germany did not have them. They used the parking light, with the key off, on the side of the road turn on when parked. That was required by the German Government.

I also guess that the Euro delivery cars came standard with front stabilizers - only my rear stabilizers were listed. I know that some US delivery cars did not have the front stabilizers.

The Euro heat exchanger looks a lot like the 911 heat exchangers only 4 cylinders instead of 6.

[RatBox]

Hello Jaems,

I do not know what to think about your info. regarding West German delivery cars not having (requiring ?) emergency flashers. The 354 XXX 1967 912 , I examined ( the car & the Kardex ) . Was delivered to G.W. Schultz in Düsseldorf , and has emergency flashers. Yet they are not listed on the Kardex ....leading one to believe they were standard equipment.

This dealership is still in existance :

Porsche Zentrum Düsseldorf Gottfried Schultz Sportwagen Düsseldorf GmbH & Co. KG

home.mobile.de/PORSCHE-ZENTRUM-DUESSELDORF.

However here is the German Text , 1965 MY 912 brochure page listing features. I do not see them listed , do you ?




So unless it's buried in the German which I am not seeing. Then there are only 3 conclusions I can draw.

1) By 1967 , emergency flashers were standard on DE delivered 912's.

2) They were left off the Kardex on this particular cars record (not the 1st time i've have found factory installed options not listed on a Kardex).

3) This car , even though delivered in DE , was intended for another market (You never know for 100% for certain , but it would seem to have been a car built for Western DE).

[RatBox]

I will check again next time I am around this car , to make sure what this knob that I was assuming was emergency flashers is. It is next to the ignition key but in addition to the running lights/leadlamps pull switch. It is a similar pull switch . But I believe it had a small amber light in the center of it.

It could possibly be for foglamps/driving lamps ? , but this car is not listed as having those either.

There is one other possibility . There is an option listed : "el. Zusatzgebläse" /

additional electric fan.

Do you think it could be for that ? Does this option mean an extra internal fan built into the the normal underdash / ventilation system ?

[Jaems]

Ratbox,

I"m sorry, I was referring to the 65-66. Which I own.