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How Would You "Hot Rod" a 912E?

Just daydreaming here....we've recently acquired a nicely running (but cosmetically challenged) '76 912E and I'm just thinking about making it into a "hot rod" of some kind. I admit, I originally bought it because it was a cheap "911 shaped" coupe that I could backdate someday. But the more I read about the 912E, the more I think I need to keep some semblance of originality. Having said that, the car has already been "ruined" by a PO who put fiberglass SC flares on the car, and the front and rear bumpers both look...er, "askew"...so the car is ripe for some "improvements".

But I truly know very little about 912 performance (other than Jake Raby loves these cars and type IV motors), so I'm curious if anybody has ideas. The obvious first step would be to "add lightness", but after that....??????

BTW here's our girl as she stands now (..well, before adding H4s..)

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If only I had that kind of mulla...
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Just go for the Raby bit. Boom. Instant hot rod.

It doesn't appear cosmetically challenged to me.
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It doesn't appear cosmetically challenged to me.
She's a 10 footer, for sure. Bad paint job (it's lasting, but poorly done) and the bumpers aren't...straight. Someday I'll share more pics...
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Cool

looks pretty good from where I'm standing!
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Thanks! Maybe I just need to not get so close to it.
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Wow.. Back in the game I see! Congrats!

Killer suspension - larger torsion bars, sways, custom valved shocks. Might consider upgraded brakes (can't recall if the 912 has period "s" brakes or even smaller. SC brakes might be a nice upgrade, or at the very least, perhaps performance pad?)

If not full suspension, at least lower front and rear to Euro height, cornerbalance and align.

A RABY motor would be sweet. I had a 2056 motor (120hp) in my 914. Your 912E weighs quite a bit more.. a nice 150-160hp big 4 would really wake the car up, but as you mention, could be a bit spendy.

RS carpet kit? Rear seat delete? Ditch any AC? Need to shed some wieght, imho.


What are your actual plans for the car? what made you pick this car?
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Not really sure what plans are for this car. Like I mentioned in the first post, I was thinking a basis for some kind of 911 powered hotrod, but I'm just not sure. I bought it because I thought it was a cool looking vintage Porsche for a decent price. My intent was (is?) to enjoy the car for a while and decide what I want to do with it...which just might be sell it and move back to a 911.

Biggest problem now, frankly, is lack of driving time. Between the hot weather and minor (but annoying) issues - i.e. trips to a mechanic - I've had little time behind the wheel. More of that will tell me more about what I want to do.

For sure, for the first year whatever I do will be on the "budget" side...so I like the idea of removing stuff to lighten. This car is...er, slow...but maybe it will feel better with a little less weight.

Brake upgrade is on the "down the road" list. Rotors are the same size as period 911s, but not vented. So stopping power is fine, but repeated stops might become an issue.

I'll try to post progress if there is any!

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Hey Doug,
Added the Stebro exhaust to my E and it really breaths better. Don't know if yours still has the Thermal reactors but if so, get rid of them. Stebro is pricey but the sound is priceless.
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With the recent uptick in value on 912e's, I wouldn't molest the car with a 911 transplant. Gonna hurt the value and you'll never get your "investment" back out of the swap. Find a decent 914 core engine and do a Raby build on it. Keep the original engine on a pallet in the corner. When it comes time to sell you can easily reinstall the original and sell off the Raby engine or find a buyer who wants it as a hot rod and will buy both motors.
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If I would have the possibility, time and funds to get another E,
I would keep it as original looking as possible.

And send the motor to Jake for his treatment...

And maybe some wheel changes to 16 Fuchs, better shocks and beter brakes.
That's it !

The E'es are getting tpp rare to destroy by too heavy modofications,
and surely do hold their value if kept original.

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Re: Originality...the car is already not original (with the flares and paint job) and is ripe for some body modifications (F&R bumpers askew, hood is buldged a little). For the amount of money it would take to fix it and bring it back to original (easily $10k), I'd much rather spend on mods to make it more of a "me" car. That said, if I can do a bit of work myself...maybe there's a middle ground where I don't go too far off original but make it more what I want. Right now I don't know where that is...
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The bumper and hood issues sound like a prime opportunity to add lightening.
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With the recent uptick in value on 912e's
Where have you noticed the uptick in values? I'd definitely like for it to be true even though I have no plans to ever sell.

I see ranges all over the place. 2.5k for dogs up to people asking 20k for pretty nice ones. Have any sold for more than that?

Sorry to hijack the thread.
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Where have you noticed the uptick in values? I'd definitely like for it to be true even though I have no plans to ever sell.

I see ranges all over the place. 2.5k for dogs up to people asking 20k for pretty nice ones. Have any sold for more than that?

Sorry to hijack the thread.
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Rough cars will always be way lower than such numbers. But they are appreciating. Europeans seem to really like them because they get such great gas mileage.

I made a $2000 profit on mine after owning it for a year and I did no more than take a car that had been parked for a couple of years, make it run and drive, and detailed it.
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The bumper and hood issues sound like a prime opportunity to add lightening.
I agree. Now if I could just get it back from my mechanic so I could at least drive it a little.

Matt, how do you like your BRZ? (..can I hijack my own thread?) I had a deposit on one but bailed when a) I couldn't get to drive one before buying it and b) to get the options I wanted the car would have cost $30k. But I still may try to make it happen....

Monovich, your car is gorgeous! ..and I love your photography. Great location shots...well done!
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Doug,
I love it. It's like an RX7 with a 2.0l flat 4 in it. Most Subaru dealers won't let you drive one. I preordered mine months in advance and only drove it right before I took delivery. I've got the Limited, so AFAIK, there are no more options to add on it. I think I got everything. I paid $28k for it, which is MSRP. No more, no less. If they were going for $30k you likely were dealing with a dealer with a small allocation who thought they could tack a $2k markup onto it. I know people who are buying $100 one way plane tickets to other states and getting cars way cheaper than they can in their local market. And what better way to break in the car than a 6-8 hour drive home?

Here's a thread where people are discussing what they paid. They usually say what dealership gave them the deal. It wouldn't hurt to shop a bit outside of your local area:
BZR vs Invoice What is the cheapest anyone has paid? - NASIOC

If you do want to drive one, go to the Toyota dealership instead. I hear that they are letting people drive the Scion variants because they are bringing in 10 times as many of them as Subarus.
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Thanks Matt. I had pre-ordered a Limited because I wanted heated seats (from the factory) but I also spec'd the 6sp AT. (Don't cringe, it's what I "need" for it to be my daily driver.) That stickered above $29k. I rounded up...

I've been to our To-Sci dealer but they didn't have an auto, so I didn't drive one. I imagine it will happen soon. My dealer said they can install (aftermarket) heated seats for about $400, so I'll probably just get the Premium. I'd consider a Scion but I hate the red seat detail.

Of course, we just traded our Legacy for an Impreza (for me), so I'll have to convince my wife to trade her Mini on the BRZ and have her drive the Impreza. She's an awesome wife, but three new cars in one year may be pushing it a bit...
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I'm not going to be the one to poo poo on ones personal preference. I'd probably never own a PDK gearbox containing Porsche but having driven a Cayman R with PDK I can see clearly what it has to offer.I fully suspect the Subaru gearbox is going to be in the same realm. I shopped for an Outback 3.0R w/5EAT for several months before I ended up getting a screaming deal on an LL Bean Outback instead and settled for the EZ30D and 4EAT instead. I am definite not anti-auto.

I pretty much had no choice since my BRZ is a product development test mule and I can't very well put short ratio dog gears into an auto.
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