Cleanest 912 ever?

[matt930s]

Is it still even a 912?

The Dutchmann Guild Built the Cleanest Porsche 912 Ever. (2 of 2) | Petrolicious

MattR

[JT912]

Nice looking car. I would rather to have seen it with a 4-banger keeping it closer to being a 912.

[Jaems]

Since the bodies were the same for a 912 and the 911. The Type designation was referring to the engine that the car was using, not the body. Therefore this car is no longer a 912, however it is closer to a type 911. Especially since most of the improvement are from the later 74 911.

[JT912]

However when you look at the VIN and registration it will say 912.

[djdsc]

So what did they do to get a LWB rear suspension into a SWB car? Graft on a LWB rear body, including everything from the TB tube back? Seems like a big waste of money to me and is not appealing at all other than it is clean. Better to backdate an impact bumper car if all you are going for is the "look". Save the 912's.

[Jaems]

Only 68 on did the Vin reflex the model type. Before 68 I could give 10 different Vin #'s and without looking them up. You could tell me which type they be long to.. That is why a lot of those original 912's that have been have been change over to 911's have been excepted into the the early 911 groups. Once you replace a 912 engine with a different type Porsche engine or a different manufacture. It's no longer a 912 but a hybrid, like a Porsche/Subaru or a AC/Bristol or AC/Ford instead of calling it a AC/Ford or later a AC/Cobra. They just called it a Cobra, even though the coach was still a original manufacture.

[JT912]

A 30xxxx or 50xxxx VIN will always be a factory built 911 regardless of the powerplant. A 35xxxx, 45xxxx, or 46xxxx VIN will always be a factory built 912 regardless of the powerplant. Much like putting a Chevy 350 into a Mustang doesn't make the new car a Chevy. Yes a 912 with something other than 616 will have lost it's soul and is considered a renegade, hybrid, modified or bastard. When you register a modified 912, the registration will still say 912. Much like kit cars built on bug platforms. They are registered as VW. I will bet the above car is titled and registered as a '68 912.
What is silly about this car is that it isn't really much different than a '74 -'77 911 so it isn't like they built a radically new car. Just one that is a few inches shorter. Probably would have been much easier to section out two inches from a 2.7L car and then call it a SWB. That I would like to see.

[matt930s]

Yeah John...I agree.

I was thinking about those 6cyl to 8cyl upgrades on the early camaros, Mustangs etc...
Doesn't change the base model from being a base model...

MattR

[Jaems]

If the DMV is god. Then I had one of the rarest 68 Porsche ever built a "1968 Porsche 913", according to them. Maybe I shouldn't of sold it.

[Matt Monson]

DMV has nothing to do with it. On the early cars, a 0 in the 2nd position means a 6 cylinder (aka a 911) and a 5 in the 2nd position means a 4 cylinder (aka a 912). As the model line grew, they broke it down further by defining trim levels, like S or targa with that position as well. You can't just put a 911 engine in a '66 912 and have the world believe the car is a 911.

[matt930s]

I would make a 912/6 badge....

MattR

[Bob Harriman]

I forget who the 912Registry member is but he has a 912/6 badge on his deck lid. Told me he bought it at a Porsche swap meet.

[Jaems]

The Vin# up through 67 Were just blocks of numbers. It had nothing to do with the engine. Just which coach builder built the body.

The 68 on, designated what the car was and the second position number on a 68 was a one or a two for the 911 was 118 and the 912 was 128. The only way on a pre68 car is memorizing the Vin#'s or have the list of Vin#'s with you.

However, according to the factory lists, only Karmann built coaches for the 912's before 68. But there are 911's with Karmann Vin#'s that have 911's DMV registrations. One, I saw many years ago, was the original owner's car. Though, I understand that you could, at one time, register a car through the Texas DMV and cleanup and change the title.

Anyway the body will continue to be a Porsche and whatever engine you put into it. The way it was designated in the past was maker of the body/ maker of the engine. examples: Porsche/Subaru, VW/Porsche, Ford/Chevy, Jaguar/Chevy, AC/Ford, BRM/Coventry and etc.

A factory can embrace the combination as one of their own, such in the case of the AC/Ford. Shelby change it to the AC/Cobra and The FMC embraced it as the Ford Cobra. In Which case opposite occurred, the engine builder took over the coach builder as their own. They also did the same with the GT40.

The difference between the Outlaw and the Renegade.

The Outlaw is a customized type 356 that keeps the factory or variation of factory engine. The term was originally coined by Gary Emory. For he was also the first to customized a 356. He father was also a early California Hot Rod customizer from the 40's and 50's.

The Renegade is a later customized Porsche with or without a factory engine. Most will have VW or Japanese engines, there are several also with the 350 Chevy engine.

The Polo engine is a possible designed that Porsche had an idea about if they continued with their four cylinder line. They had considered a new overhead cam four cylinder engine. They choose to drop it and pickup the VW sports car designated as the VW/Porsche (VW being the coach and Porsche the engine) in Europe and as the 914 over here.

The only way that VW could sell the car and get under the new federal regs for passenger cars was to sell it as a Porsche sports car, hence the 914 designation. It may have been one of the reason the 912 was dropped from the Porsche line not wanting to have two different four cylinder cars in competition at their dealerships.

Like the 914/6 and 914, Porsche could have designated the 911 as 911/6 and 911/4. They probably didn't think about it at the time like they did the 914, 924, and 944 as four cylinder cars and the 928 as a eight cylinder car.

[cmpski]

I prefer a 4 with 6 power and less the 80 to 100 pounds behind the rear axle line. Mines a 2.4 and here is a just finished 2.7. I'm in this for the drive and could care less about the vin on my 67 912.
Check out the CMW custom heads and LN Nickies on the 2.7. It also has titanium rods. My 2.4 has titanium valves.
They are looking for 240 hp on the 2.7.
Chris

[1966912]

You can get 220hp out of a type IV for a lot less $...I prefer to stay with the light weight 912 engine since I'm an auto cross addict. I beat most cars with fat butts. My car weighs in at only 1960 lbs with 1/2 tank of gas hard to get that out of bigger engines. That's a ton of $ to get only 20 more hp IMO...looks very nice though. I've also seen type I engines in 912's kick some serious butt....

[jose luis]

Just for my Knowledge : What is Type I Engine ? A VW one ?

[Bob Harriman]

Originally Posted by jose luis

just for my knowledge : What is type i engine ? A vw one ?

10-4

[NICE 69 S]

Type I VW Bug
Type II VW Bus (up to '69)
Type III VW Squareback and Fastback
All had basically the same motors.
See below for a type I 2L engine with some serious horsepower

[matt930s]

Serious eye candy!

MattR

Originally Posted by cmpski

I prefer a 4 with 6 power and less the 80 to 100 pounds behind the rear axle line. Mines a 2.4 and here is a just finished 2.7. I'm in this for the drive and could care less about the vin on my 67 912.
Check out the CMW custom heads and LN Nickies on the 2.7. It also has titanium rods. My 2.4 has titanium valves.
They are looking for 240 hp on the 2.7.
Chris

[NICE 69 S]

Maybe that Polo engine would fit in my Bug.
Bob B