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porsche V8 continued

Although I'm currently collecting parts to assemble a 2.0l, I am still researching the possiblity of shoe horning a 928 V8 in my 916 style 914. If you read the fantasy thread, I listed some of the rough measurements. However these were taken from my running driving 944. So I still have a few missing pieces. Does any have access to a 928 flywheel? It would interesting to have someone post info on the physical differences\similarities. Has anyone come across a tecnically rich 928 site? (Maybe this one or one like it) Is anyone still interested in the 928 topic?
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The 928 flywheel and/or engine will not mate up to either the 901 (stock 914) trans or the 915 or any other rear/mid engine Porsche trans. Kennedy, makes an adapter plate so that the block will bolt up and a conversion flywheel, so the 914/911 starter can be used.

After that, you need to custom make engine mounts, figure out the wiring and install the radiator. Not to mention cutting out half of the rear trunk.....

Piece of cake.....^)

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So, does KEP already have the adaptor and flywheel? I though we needed to raise the money for a group run of the proto type??
I must have missed something. can you fill in the my blanks? Like, Can I just order the parts? And how much? Is it the 500.00 we discussed? I'm serious!! I'm really leaning tword this swap! I've got a little cash and an interested buyer (maybe)for the 944.
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I thought that this might help fuel your guys hunger for a V8. I came across this while perusing the sites hosted by Pelican under motor city. This guy has a very nice website: http://www.pelicanparts.com/MotorCity/Siverson/
On his site under the photos section was a picture of a 928 V8 in a 914! WOW!

If I had the money I would buy a roller 914 to convert to 928 power. I wouldn't convert my current 914 because it is in too good of a condition, I am only doing mods that I could bolt on and undo if so inclined. I hope that you persue this as I think that this is a great idea.

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At this point, a premium would need to be paid and they need to be slow in business...since so many of us are doing conversions that has not happened in a while. You can call them yourself. Here is their site address.
http://www.kennedyeng.com/

I may have a friend wanting to do one, he fell in love with my 914/6, 3.0. And was interested in being the first one on his block to have a real V8, Porsche powered 914...may be the beer talking, but you never know.
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Good eye Brent. I've been on that web site and over looked that photo! I e-mailed Steve and asked him where he got it. Doesn't look like the fire wall was cut. It looks tight but do-able.
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Either the photo is bass ackwards or the battery has been relocated....also, the thread has never said that the firewall was modified, just the trunk. The pic shows a rear deck lid covering any mod underneath...just my $.02.
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Ahh! In regards to the earlier posted image of a 928 V8 in the 914. The image is flipped. If you make a copy of the image and then use a graphics program to flip it you will notice that the battery is on the side it should be, the trunk latch hook thing is on the left where it should be, and the "PORSCHE" lettering on the valve cover is visibly now the right direction. Actually seeing the engine in a 914 makes me want to see one in real life. I hope, and if one of you does do this someday, I am going to have to see the completed "BEAST."
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Ok after taking a furlough off this list I'm back only because I saw this post and felt an obligation to respond.

First off I am still hanking for a 914/8.
Secondly I'm extremly tight on cash (Mike Z is familiar with this).
C: I also recall the discussion we had regarding having KEP fabricate the adapters.
4) I think what Rich is asking and what I had asked before was if the 928 engine will mount directly to the transmission of the 928. Because essentially the 928 has a transaxle like the 914 and 924 and 911.
E: Asthetically speaking whos going to roll their fenders instead of putting the flares on?. I'm thinking of creating something that is a little more fluid and functional.

I'm in for the adapter but not right now,

Dont know when I'll be back.
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P.S. I'm going to New Mexico in late December I'll be driving a burgundy Volvo 240 with a U-Haul trailer with my moms stuff in it. If you see such a sight on the interstates heading towards the midwest wave or flash your headlights!.
If I didnt fall asleep at the wheel I'll wave back.

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For your fender question, take a look on the Rennlist site . Click on "Free Member Websites", then scroll down the list of sites until you see "gogag". That 914 has what have been called "SC flares" on it. (Done by a PO.)

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Here's the direct URL if you can't find the above page. http://members.rennlist.com/gogag

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After seeing the 928 transplant photo I'm really hooked. I did some calling around today and located a motor. I also talked to a machinist friend and the adaptor and flywheel are do-able locally. All I need is to secure a buyer for the 944. I'll keep you posted. BTW anybody see a cheap 928 motor with the brain in the midwest send me an e-mail.
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You can always try Ian....he is on the 944 list now...^)
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I got a call from the 944 buyer. Sounds like the car is gone on Friday! I'm kinda nervous and unsure about what to do. 6 cyl. or V8 So many choices, so few brain cells.
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Concerning wether or not the 928 transmission will bolt directly to the 928 V8. I emailed Devek.net (928 specialists) with this question and was told that it would most likely bolt right up depending on what year engine/trans. They also brought up a good point, If you were going to have an adapter made for the 901, you could have one made for the 928 trans (That is if it did not bolt right up.) I would personally choose to install the auto trans model as you would not need to be as critical with shift linkaging, and with that much power who cares. Hope that helps.

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Hold on here, your saying that Devek said that there is a strong possiblity of the 928 V-8 bolting straight up to the 928 transmission?. That opens of the door to so many possibilities and can lead to the modification of so many more 914's.
What can happen is now there is the possibility of having automatic V-8's in the 914, sssshhhhhh dont tell anyone!!. There arent enough 914's with clean chassis to go around!!.
But regardless even if the 928 engine doesnt bolt up directly, since Rich is the only one at this point in time who is taking this project further than any of us have so far I volunteer him to find out the dimensions of the complete setup. If and once the engine and tranny are bolted together, find out which part is offset where.

Mike Z hang on pal, gimme a few more weeks I'm getting that chassis.

We've got to keep this between ourselves people.

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As I stated in the fantasy post: The trans has a cone shaped end that the torque tube is attached to.This is a bolt on part. Kinda like a reverse bellhousing. I was unable to mate the block and the trans with both (engine and trans) bells removed because my 944 is a running and driving car. Also I don't know what the imput shaft looks like inside the transaxle bellhousing. I also e-mailed devek and asked if they could help fill in the blanks. So speculativly speaking; Even if you had a new imput shaft machined there is no provision on the transaxle for a starter. This leaves the 914 transaxle as a better choice. Which leads me to the NEWEST development; I just scored a 1980 928 motor with appox 80,000mi, Are you sitting down!!! Complete with brain and harness, ARE YOU READY??!!!
A MEEEEER 1000.00!!!!! THE 944 IS GONE TOMORROW!!! SO I CAN ACTUALLY FINANCE THIS THING!I hope to have the engine here by next weekend! I'LL BE GOING TO PICK IT UP. IT'S ONLY ABOUT 100 MILES AWAY!!! COOOL!!!


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Steve M., Do I sense a little sarcasim in your prior post? Just kiddin! Any ways, don't get me wrong I am not advocating the destruction of perfectly good 914's to put automatics in them, the only reason I even thought about the 928 trans at all was for the longevity of the transmission. Which raises a good point, a 901 tranny in good shape could handle any 928 engine up until '87. Rich won't have a thing to worry about as a '80 928 V8 produces 220hp @5500 RPMs
Now once you went to '87 you would have problems with the tranny as an '87 S4 928 V8 puts out 316hp @6000 RPMs. Rich you sure got a good deal on that engine, also it will be putting out more power than the stated numbers because you will have to have a custom exhaust (not that much money) and you wont have power steering, ac, or accessory belts on the engine either. One thing that would be a really good idea would be to replace the timing belt and any other wear items before you put the engine in the car, as I am not sure you are aware but the timing belt is something like 7 feet long in that engine.

As a last note here, I will not be personally taking on this conversion due to lack of funds and because I would have to find a different 914 besides my baby to modify, I am just having fun following along with you guys and providing any help that I can.

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Steve M., Do I sense a little sarcasim in your prior post? Just kiddin! Any ways, don't get me wrong I am not advocating the destruction of perfectly good 914's to put automatics in them, the only reason I even thought about the 928 trans at all was for the longevity of the transmission. Which raises a good point, a 901 tranny in good shape could handle any 928 engine up until '87. Rich won't have a thing to worry about as a '80 928 V8 produces 220hp @5500 RPMs
Now once you went to '87 you would have problems with the tranny as an '87 S4 928 V8 puts out 316hp @6000 RPMs. Rich you sure got a good deal on that engine, also it will be putting out more power than the stated numbers because you will have to have a custom exhaust (not that much money) and you wont have power steering, ac, or accessory belts on the engine either. One thing that would be a really good idea would be to replace the timing belt and any other wear items before you put the engine in the car, as I am not sure you are aware but the timing belt is something like 7 feet long in that engine.

As a last note here, I will not be personally taking on this conversion due to lack of funds and because I would have to find a different 914 besides my baby to modify, I am just having fun following along with you guys and providing any help that I can.

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Oh No!!! I did the dreaded double post! Sorry Guys! Wayne, if you are reading this please delete this post and the duplicate message proceeding this one. Thanks!

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Yo...Rich,

I have a project to start...is that machine shop ready to knock off a couple of flywheels and an intermediate plate???

I have a need for speed, and something different....let's talk, send me a private email with your number....or?
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