a way to SAVE $$ on gas no joking plz read it
 

Here goes,

Got an email from a freind stating in laymans terms that the 2 BIG gas comp's are killing the market. EXXON and MOBIL. their prices are too high which chain reacts to all the other gas comp's.

HERE IS THE FIX

STOP BUYING FROM THEM!!!

its that simple, they lose $$ and drop the $$$ IF WE ALL!!!!! act together and tell 10 or so people in a few weeks they will be losing their ASSES....and price will go down

Ive told 4 not including you all so DO YOUR PART...there is NO REASON for the price to be sooooo HIGH aside from making them RICH...I value my $$ do you??

Why don't we all start riding bicycles?? Then we could A: ruin the oiil companies B: not be a nation of fat werthless slobs C: learn to live without conveniences like A.C. heated seats and stereos C: cell phones would be harder to use while riding D: accidents would be a lot less horrendous E: insurance rates would drop F: we would all be tired as hell in the evening so sex and alcohol would cease to be necessary thus killing Trojan and Jack Daniels G: hotels would shut down because we wouldn't be going more than 10 miles from home anymore, that way we could let mother earth reclaim the land that we raped her of H: granola bars rock I: birckenstocks roll J: sorry got a little off subject I've been huffing gas for the last hour

Anyway by riding bikes we can kill :

big oil
big cell phone
big insurance
big hotel/motel/holiday inn
big alcohol
big condom
big "adult toy"

:eek:

Good idea. But since we have a President who seems determined to protect the oil companies, let's also get rid of the Republicans in the White House. SmileWavy

where the hell in MD do you live, Rock Hall?? Do you not remember Exxon Valdez? yayaya boycott exxon, that sure did hurt them. Do you have any idea of how many millions of gallons they sell? 10,000 people boycotting would not bother them, and if you haven't noticed americans are (in general) a bunch of bigger is better, supersize me, fuch it I drive an excursion culture; which needs gas my brother, most would not give up a twix bar to save gas, much less ride a bike.(probably don't remember how)

Oh boy here we go. That's right the Dem's are SOOOOooo much better. Democrats are gods and republicans are evil. Rep all hate old, ethnic, crippled, female, persons who make less than 7 figures a year right?? and the Dems love everyone and want a freekin utopia where all people are equal (except the ones in power) we all can have the same sized hut to eat our equal portions of red beans and rice in. Oh and lets not forget the fabulous Echo the gov't will provide each and every citizen. Does that sound as rediculous as your statement yet? Check out Cuba, China, Russia for how well socialism werks!! I mean de,mocrats are all socialists right? Just like republicans want to protect big oil and cut down all the trees!!

That wont work because all gas comes from virtually the same place. A fuel farm in Fairfax VA pump gas to tankers from Shell, Mobile, BP, you name it. The only difference is the additives they add while it is being pumped into the tankers to be delivered to the stations.

Great! And then we won't have Big Civilization! What a bonus!


M

Take your freaky politics, and all your funny politicians, and swim to China.

I play for the league, not the team, your team is the same as the other team, and worse. Have you practiced your daily prayers yet.

:)

This thread is going to go away soon.


M

Anyone ever heard of Supply and Demand. We keep demanding fuel, China is demanding more and more everyday. We are in a time of record fuel consumption. It has nothing to do with who is the president or who is in congress (they all suck). Until we as a world stop consuming oil at a record rate it will only get worse

Oil would have to reach 100$ per barrel before it is near as bad as the mid 70s.

I think a few people missed the sarcasm in Sandy's original note... Including Scott, which is interesting because his own earlier reply had tons and tons of it!

--DD

Exxon and Mobil are the same company, that same stupid chain letter has been posted on various pelican boards at least 4 times,
and in general people are gullible enough and and ignorant enough about business that they think this actually has merit.
If you believe your actions detailed above will make any difference at all, or if you think of an oil company as "THEM", you are truely misinformed.

You wanna pay less for gas? Burn less, buy less. simple as that.
Either that or buy oil stocks so that you make enough money to offset the price increases. I suggest VLO or TSO.

PS, if all that other political BS was meant togue in cheek, fine. If not, it belongs in the OT forum.

If there was sarcasm I definitely missed it and I apologize! If there wasn't any sarcasm I stand by my rant, which I stand by anyway;) I guess I've gotten to used to the B.S. like that from some of the members in the non-club. You know the ones, the ones that keep 18 page threads going. Sorry Sandy if I missed it and Miles.........I get it man!

Listened to an economist this morning who talked about this exact thing going around on e-mail and the web. He stated that if people just buy gas from other companies, rather than reducing overall consumption, the DEMAND at the other companies will force them to raise prices due to their diminishing SUPPLIES. And even if Mobil is forced to drop its gas price a couple of pennies, relative to the competition, their DEMAND will increase and lessen their SUPPLY forcing an eventual price increase. The basic laws of economics states that the boycott strategy is fatally flawed, unless you are a monopoly. The only true way to decrease prices is to reduce demand - carpool, walk, vanpool, consolidate trips, or ride a bike. If you want to drive your P-car and gas it too (have your cake an eat it too) for less, you will be the one who will need to change your habits. (sorry no jabs at any politicians or parties, which IMHO do not belong on car sites anyway.)

Ya'll need to look closer to home. Most of the price per gallon is tax revenue. The "big oil" companies make very little (like less than 1%) per gallon sold. The gubmint taxes as much as $.63 per gallon in some states. Hence, we have some states doing a moratorium on gas taxes to lube the wallet rape.

Then why did Exxon/Mobile supass Walmart last year on Forbes top grossing companies list.

I would susspect an apples to oranges comparrasson was made. How many Wal-Marts arethere vs. Exxon/Moble stations in America? Ok, now the rest of the world. It may be like saying, "How come McDonalds made soo much more than the restaurant down the street last year?" I'm not saying that I have a deffinitive answer, but I do susspect, as do many others, that is is not as it is appearing in the spam/junk emial that has been floated around soo many times for so long.

Now we're on Wal-Mart?! Well, you gotta love the nations #2 employer (second only to the U.S. Military) which has destroyed the centuries old American tradition of Mom & Pop speciality stores by selling "discount" wares made outside the U.S. So while I'm swimming to China (or was it Cuba?), I'll try not to get run over by the hundreds of cargo ships filled with Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, Malaysian, Thai, and Taiwainese goods headed for your local Wal-Mart. Smilewavy

As for Big Oil, they are the modern day Robber Barons. Y'all can't convince me that the reason they had their most profitable 12-month period ever was due to State Government taxes. Sorry.

Hey, what happened to my smilewavy?
SmileWavy
There it is. :D

Oil prices are set by the commodities traders.

The price of oil isn't the issue. It's Big Oil's price of gasoline at the pump that's killing all of us.

thats sounds about right...my oil changes havent gone up...and the minute lube down the street still has the same price up on the billboard they had last summer...

The oil companies are still running about a 10% profit margin. The gross sales numbers are driven by oil prices, which are set by speculative traders.

I'm not aware of many retail operations outside grocery with profit margins as low as 10%. What makes this look bad is the sheer $$ volumes involved.

And I agree that the boycott plan proposed above won't work. Reducing overall demand is the only effective solution, not selectively choosing your retailer.

The reason why the oil companies are making record profits is when you produce oil, your actual costs to produce have not gone up but your sell price has.
Also if I buy/produce a barrel of oil for $20 and make my products and sell for $22, I make $2. If I buy/produce at $70 and sell product for $77, I make $7. The more it cost the more you make, if people will buy it. So even the non-producers and refiners are making more money.

The numbers are not that simple but ExxonMobil sold $360 billion gross last year. They only had $36 billion in profit. That's 10% which is really low for most businesses. Would you like to sell $100 just to keep $10? They really have to spend a lot to make their profit. It is just they spend/sell so much more than any other company which makes them the largest oil company. It is really just big numbers that shock everyone. Remember there are years where they do not make any money or even lose money.

ok.... so the first weekend boycott got an effect... they went OMG!!... but see.. what everyone did was topp off thurday night... the fill it up on monday morning..... after that first weekend... they just kept it in holding tanks longer and knew that gas was still going to be used, boght and sold.... no politics.... no wally world.... go with dual fuel vehicles or all electric, try the bus, trolly, and corpooling... riding a bike and walking to the seven11 across the street isn't bad iether... any... thas my 2 cents worth.

The government got 46% without work, or investment.

I think I see the problem, and I see a bunch of other problems.. I am ready to do something about it.

Come with me.


M

Hendrix,

Awesome suggestion. I like it when someone is willing to take matters into their own hands.

But how am I going to get where you are to follow you and how much is it going to cost me.

And is this going to take long, cuz I need to be home in time to watch the World Series as my team is looking strong this year. The Senators from upstate voted to allow my county to increase my property taxes to pay for a stadium that is going to have the best players rushing to join my team!

And do I need to bring my own stuff or is it going to be provided for me? Gee, this is getting difficult. Is my stuff compatible with your stuff? And are the colors right? I wouldn't want to look out of place. Are there going to be Doctors and Nurses available, as I have a condition that needs monitoring. Are we going to be doing a lot of walking. My joints aren't what they use to be and I take Advil anytime I work outside. Can you provide the Advil?

Does it pay well? What does your benefit package look like. Does it support civil union agreements and pay a living wage? Man, this is getting complicated. And I've got make sure the lawn service stopped by this week. They didn't last week and the wife is pissed.

I guess I need to stay home.

Hope you get something done for us, cuz we really need it.

I'm with you all the way,

Fin

Miles, you me and the Ol' Man in the Mountains (SLITS) are gonna change the world!

b

Some of you guys are unbeleiveable. Do you really think the gas companies are the ones proffiting and that shopping elsewhere will solve anything? The gas at your local Exxon is the same gas at your local Nickel-Pumper. Don't let anyone fool you into believing anything differnet.

For "shi%s and grins" let's break down a $3 gallon of gasoline:

Gasoline Retailer $.01 cents per gallon

Oil Company $.08 cents per gallon

Refining $.29 cents per gallon

Marketing/Distribution $.32 cents per gallon

Taxes $.59 cents per gallon

Cost of crude $1.71 per gallon (delivered)

The retailer sells gas as a loss-leader to get you into their station to buy other stuff. Hence, the chain mini-mart style pumps will generally have lower prices than the old-school service stations. So, you can't blame the gas station.

The oil company is grossing less than 3% of the cost/gallon. I don't knwo about you, but every product I sell, oes for at least 40% gross margin. Does that make me a profiteer?

The government is getting 20% of the cost/gallon. While I think the taxes are ridiculous, the government does use those funds for, well, whatever they use them for. But, if they reduced it, shoudl we beleive they will actually pass that reduction to the citizen? No way! They will simply rebalance with a tax increase somewhere else.

If anyone wants to really be pissed about something, think about how unfair the tax on gasoline is to someone who drives a SUV or pickup truck with lower MPG. Someone in a truck getting 15MPG is being taxed at twice the rate of someone driving a Honda with 30MPG.

I don't mean to offend anyone here, but come on... I'm sick of hearing the democrats blame Bush for Big Oil. If you really want to make a difference, buy a hybrid or alternative fuel car which will use less oil, reduce demand and extend our natural resources.

Or, you can be like me and just accept that it is what it is and pay $55/tank to fill up and be happy we're not in Europe where pices are up to $7/gallon (again becuase of socialist taxes).

Somebody please make this a sticky....

On the Rennlist forum....





Twystd1

"I don't mean to offend anyone here, but come on... I'm sick of hearing the democrats blame Bush for Big Oil. If you really want to make a difference, buy a hybrid or alternative fuel car which will use less oil, reduce demand and extend our natural resources."



jeeez.

OK, that's enough.

--DD