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914 with 911 motor questions - new guy

I am usually in the 911 forum, but looking at a 914 project... hoping to get a fairly quick response - so this is posted in both 911 and 914 tech forums.

A friend came across a 914 by his place and knew I was into Porsche. He told me it is a very clean car with no rust issues (taking this with a grain of salt for now). I called the owner, and older gentleman, and discussed the car. It is a 73 914 with 4 spoke wheels, no engine, tranny or wiring harness, but he thinks everything else is there. It sounds like the top needs som work (were they all fiberglass on the 914's?). I was thinking of purchasing this as a father son project and building a nice little 916 look for my oldest daughter. I would update the suspensio and brakes etc. I was thinking of putting an older 2.2 or 2.4 in there. I would consider a 2.7 but have heard so many negatives about them, not sure about that route. Any other options I should consider, keeping in mind I want something sane for my daughter if I did this.

The owner said again that there are no rust issues. Again, grain of salt taken here. The car is orange and all orginal as far as he knows. Not sure if he is original owner or not. I am going to go look at it today.

Anything else I should consider about this. Don't know a LOT about 924's other than the rust issues I have read about in the past. My daughter is finicky, and so I showed her some pics of some 916 styled 914's and she gave it the thumbs up.

Thanks for your advice in advance.
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Old 12-20-2008, 10:12 AM
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hey shane whats up

shane, hey man if she is a new driver i would consider a 944. the 914 is a cool car indeed but with a 6 it might not be safe for her.and besides that it will cost thousands and thousands to restore and build a 914-6 clone.the 914 is a drivers car and is not a comfortable easy driving experience it is almost a race car even in stock form.the 944 however is cheap, abundant and a very nice comfortable gt type driver a young girl would appreciate..build the 916 hot rod for yourself...just my 2 cents...mike
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I agree with Mike. Any Porsche 6 in a 914 is going to be pretty far from sane. You are talking about a power to weight ratio vastly superior to a Boxster, and equivalent to a brand new 911. All this is in a much less forgiving chassis built in the 70's as opposed to a brand new Porsche.

I too would recommend a 944. I had a 84' 944 as my first car and drove it until it died about 3 years ago. A quick, not necessarily fast, car with superb handling and decent road matters that, despite only being 10 years newer than a 914, feels like a modern car fit and trim wise and behind the wheel. Plus you will save at least $10k.

If you definitely want to go the 914 route for her I would recommend going back with the 4 banger. If you are going to want to go with the 6 six, but want to keep it sane, you would probably end up with a 6 cylinder that would make similar power to what can be achieved with a modded VW 4 banger for thousands of $$$ less.

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Interesting comments here. A 2.2 or 2.4 conversion is not obscenely expensive or "to much car" if you are doing the work yourself. If you pay somebody to do it, think about the 944.
Rust is the bogey man. You need to do some research on rust and 914 and where to look. Unless you are a great body guy, rust is a deal killer.
One other thing, if your daughter is not a "car person" she will not like the 914.
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I actually think you could put your daughter into a '97 -00 boxster cheaper than a 914-6 with 916 flares.

Even if you are going to do all the work yourself a quick short list of parts:

bulk head mount 350-400
engnine tin 400
oil tank (with w/oil filter console and filler neck) 1100
descent small displacement 6 4k
916 flares 1000
fuchs 7's and 8's to fill up the 916 flares 1250
tires for said fuchs 800

911 SC front suspension 500 (descent one with brakes)
rear brakes to match front... can get expensive if you try to use 914-6 rear calipers if not then you have to use a 911 parking brake so no matter how you shake it at least 700

So just getting warmed up without any actual refurbishing your up to 10100 and that does not even include the purchase price of the car. Add in bushings, shocks, strut inserts, brake pads, referb on the calipers, paint?, interior? and your on your way to 20K

Where you can get a pretty sweet boxster these days for 10 or 11K ... Of course all that said I own 2 914s one in process of conversion to a 6 but I would not put my daughter in it...

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I have a 3.2 in my 914 and its not insane...

My 545 rwhp 2003 Mustang Cobra Convertable was insane...
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I have a 3.2 in my 914 and its not insane...

My 545 rwhp 2003 Mustang Cobra Convertable was insane...
would you put a new driver in either one? When I turned 16 my dad co signed for a loan on my 71 big block corvette.... 8 months later the mandate to sell came along. This was after the neighbors all up and down the block signed a patition to try to force me to move from the neighborhood
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914 is only good for one thing in my ever so humble opinion.......going fast around turns. Mine is a 200hp 2000lb car and it would not go to my daughter as a first ride, heck you want a porsche I agree with the boxter idea, and he is right it'll be WAY less expensive.

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Guys, were talking 2.2 here not 3.6 euro conversion. The girl will have enough hp to drive the car in a normal fashion without any real over kill issues.
Expensive?, yes, Boxster expensive?, to do it right so she can use it for a daily driver, yes. Pour in a bunch of money then give her a AAA gold card. She will be just fine.
I think it would be a great father/ daughter project. My advise, have her drive one first. 4 cylinder version, what ever, these are not every girls cup of tea.
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Guys, were talking 2.2 here not 3.6 euro conversion. The girl will have enough hp to drive the car in a normal fashion without any real over kill issues.
Expensive?, yes, Boxster expensive?, to do it right so she can use it for a daily driver, yes. Pour in a bunch of money then give her a AAA gold card. She will be just fine.
I think it would be a great father/ daughter project. My advise, have her drive one first. 4 cylinder version, what ever, these are not every girls cup of tea.
based on the items listed I would be very surprised if parts alone could be purchased for less than 10.1K

Heres a 50K mile 01 boxster in real nice condition for 12.9K:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/967343577.html

Or a 97 for 10.8K:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd/958989653.html

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I agree with Rich, The only women I know that will ride in my 914 and enjoy it is my sister (she likes to go fast like me) The rest of em go something like this: "why does the top squeek all the time?" " Gawd this think is so low" " I can feel every little bump in the road! " How do I turn the seat warmer off?" The best one yet while driving down a deserted 2 lane twisty in the ozarks with a previous girl friend " slow down I cant hear the radio!" Buy her a 986 you'll be the coolest dad in town
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my son, "Great Pumpkin" on 914 world is now 15.5 and we are finishing his 914.

it is a 1970 car with a stock 2.0 type 4 engine.

thats plenty of car for a 16 year old. We are making sure it has good heat and a good radio.

a six conversion of any size can be pretty expensive for a kid.
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I have driven 2.7 conversions and they are too fast for a kid too.

stock type 4 2.0 100 hp
911 2.0-2.4 110-140 hp
911 2.7 180 hp
911 3.2 240 hp

just my opinion, but for my daughter I got her a 1997 vw cabrio high line with ac and leather interior....

both boys have 914 type 4 cars but they have to work on them.

my daughter wont work on her car, I can't even get her to wash it....
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actually the 2.7 was a better conversion than the 2.2 or 2.4 because the head studs were less prone to pull out...

unless you do all your own work or like making your mechanics mortgage payments, I would get her something that isnt turning 40 soon.
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Just my opinion but get your daughter something safe and reliable. Or better yet, tell her to earn $$$ and buy her own car.
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