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914-S vs 914-6

What is the difference between a 914-S and a 914-6? I have the chance to buy this 914-S and I have never seen or heard of an "S" model. I don't know 914s all that well.





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What is the difference between a 914-S and a 914-6? I have the chance to buy this 914-S and I have never seen or heard of an "S" model. I don't know 914s all that well.
The 914-S is a early '73 2.0L 4-Cylinder T4.
Porsche dropped the "S" almost immediately after the introduction of the 2.0L /4, so if that badge is in fact original, it's probably worth more than the car.

The 914-6 had a 2.0L 6-Cylinder (Same as the 911T). Real /6 cars command quite a lot of $$$ these days as only about 3300 were build.

Two completely different animals ...


However, the car in your picture appears to have a 6-Cylinder motor and 911 suspension. So who knows what it really started it's life at ...
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PS: Do you know the VIN number? That would help identifying what it really is.
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The 914-S is a 914 with a 914-6 badge that someone modified. At least, from your picture it seems to be.

The "real" story is that some early ads for the 1973 914 2.0 called it the "914 S", but that was quashed pretty quickly when the dealers started complaining about it "diluting" their 911S model's appeal. Also, some later references called the two factory-made 914-8 cars "914 S". But there was never a "914-S" badge that I have heard of.

It kind of looks like you've got a six-cylinder motor in there, but the lack of lighting in the photo and the air cleaners make it a little tough to be certain.

If the VIN starts with "47", the car was originally a four-cylinder 914. If it starts with "914", the car started out as a Six. The latter are generally worth more money.

Note the rust just in front of the door. This could signal a need for some costly repairs.

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definitely what looks to be a six in the engine bay....has a red shroud too...may be even deep dish fuchs(I would get some air in those tires quick)...can't really tell from the picture...what looks like a talbot or raydot mirror........interesting 914...what's the vin....any history on it....more pictures please
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I am fairly certain the "S" is attached to the 914 on the emblem. The car has flares on rear fenders. Rust is not bad at all. In desert. Will find out more and let you know.
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I have an original factory 1973 914 sales brochure that lists the 914-S as a 2.0 option car; that should settle the argument. BTW - the brochure is 4-Sale
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let's see some pictures and a price for that brouchure
helps with the "argument" and the sale
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Interesting Thread

In looking at an original 914-6 script this one looks to be the real deal. At first glance I thought 914-S was a clever and well done transformation of the orginal 914-6 script. But looking closely at the two side by side, I don't think it is a modified badge.

There are several examples on:

Porsche 914-6 Rear Badge and Emblem Information @ P914

For clarification a 2.0 liter 914 can be 4 or 6 cylinder. The one pictured in this car surely appears to be a 914-6 and the five lug Fuchs also points that way too but as well all know, there have been many, many conversions.

Interesting thread. Hope to learn more about this mysterious car.

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The older gent who owns swears it is an OG car. He is in his 90's now. Car hasn't ran in twenty+ years. I will be making an offer on it. What is a good core value on this car? Has mild rear flares. All 914-6 I have seen have front flares and massive rear flares. Rust is very minimal. No dents, damage, wrecks. Interior is complete with some sun damage and dry rotting. Oh yeah engine has 200 miles on dealer rebuild. Will definitely need gone through again.
I JUST WANT TO DRIVE THIS MONSTER. Has to be a kick in the ass.
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Rust does not look "very minimal" to me. If the visible rust in front of the driver's side door really is coming through from the inside, there's a lot of bad metal to replace in that area.

The badge looks exactly like that 914-6 badge, but with a little bit of careful Dremel work.

Not sure about value, but some people seem to want to pay a (relative) lot for a roller with a "914" VIN... It does have one, yes?

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I'm with Dave on the badge. If you look at the two ends of it the top right corner is hard edged like the original six. And the bottom left has a rolled corner, again like the original six. I think if that was from the factory like that, the bottom left corner would be hard edged as well.
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legit?

OKAY. Just went and looked at the 914-S again. NO WAY the badge has been altered. Build date 1/70. Vin # 9140430278.
From what I have seen that vin makes it a true legit car.
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#278?

Is it #278? Sure looks that way.
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OKAY. Just went and looked at the 914-S again. NO WAY the badge has been altered. Build date 1/70. Vin # 9140430278.
From what I have seen that vin makes it a true legit car.
The vin means it's a 914-6. The engine likely isnt original as the shrouds were not red on the stock 2.0. the rearview mirror isnt stock either.

There was never a 914-6 sold as a 914-S. I also agree with Dave, the rust on that car seems pretty bad. Looks like a parts car more than anything else.

There were a very, very few 914 2.0L (4 cylinder) prototypes marketed as the 914-S in 1973. They would have also had a "2.0" emblem mounted on the sail panels.

Looks to me like someone took a 914-6 emblem and ground down the "6" to make it into an S.
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Okay next time I go I will take the sawzall to cut it up since its rusty. Parts soon.
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So what we have here is a 1970 914-6 with a 1973 914-S badge that was installed when the 911-S engine was transplanted into it.

I know you are joking, but I wouldn't be so quick to cut up the car because a couple of experts on the internet said so. Inspect it in further detail. That 911s engine could be a 2.0 a 2.2 or a 2.4. You don't even know what year it is until you get a type number of it. It could have Weber 40 IDS carbs on it. Or it could just have a red shroud and an S badge and just be a 914-6 2.0l engine. But then it might still be numbers matching. There's still so much to discover about the car.

If you can get the car for a reasonable price buy it. There will be some 914 afficianado who will make it worth your while. For every 5 guys who say part it out and cut it up there will be one who says save it since there's a limited number of original ones. 911 guys never care about these cars. A lot of 914 guys don't give a damn either. But 914-6 guys want to keep as many of them intact as possible. If you don't want to put it back together someone else will. Even if it's a total rust bucket, you put a car like that on Ebay and it goes to Europe for a couple thousand more than you pay for it unless the old man is sentimental and dreaming of dollar signs.
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I'd say it's a 6 badge. Look at the bottom of the 'S' curve- it's rounded, and the top end is flat. The lower left point of the 914-6 badge looks the same way.

If this badge was made from scratch by Porsche, they'd have likely used a flat top and bottom or curved top and bottom.
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I'd say it's a 6 badge. Look at the bottom of the 'S' curve- it's rounded, and the top end is flat. The lower left point of the 914-6 badge looks the same way.

If this badge was made from scratch by Porsche, they'd have likely used a flat top and bottom or curved top and bottom.
Sounds familiar.
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huh?

I restore VW busses so I KNOW rust. This is not rusty. No I am not cutting. Engine was rebuilt at a dealer 200 miles and 30 years ago. If someone altered this badge from a 914-6 badge I want to meet the fella that can work a dremmel that good in the early 80's. I will get the car soon. I will remove badge for all the naysayers to pick apart. As of now I know it is a real 914-6, the rebadging or altering is the question know. Is it possible that the very first 914-6's were badged this way. What are the odds of finding a 914-S badge from an early 73 2.0
to rebadge in 1980.
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There never was a factory '914-S ' badge. Its either custom or a modified original badge. There are people today making custom badges for 914s, the tech is not that hard, it could easily have been custom made in the last 40 years and be convincing.

"They would have also had a "2.0" emblem mounted on the sail panels"

This never occurred either. Show photos of other precedents if you know otherwise.
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