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new @ 914's

So i've dabbled with a 911, messed around with 9(2)44's.
Been Porsche less for couple of years, bought a house and 911's aren't cheap.

But there is this 914 that from what i hear , seems to be a fun car to drive.


Cany anybody tell me what to look for when i got check out a roller?
IT's a 75 2.0, that looks clean and unmolested in the pics.
supposedly been parked since 84 by it's then 4th owner.
Engine and tranny have been removed no info yet as to why.. i think because it needs at least some effort to get it going again after years of standing still.



Other then the usual crap from a car that stood still, tires, brakes , suspension, rubbers, electrics just to name a few.

Does anybody have an idea about what to look for, what to expect from such a 914?
Engines, i presume are cheaper then 911 engines when it comes to rebuilding..
Any particular problem points?

What about the stock injection.. hard to find parts?
Is it finicky or straight forward?


Any particular spots to check for rust, other then say, the battery box?


pics below, any advice is greatly appreciated.








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Old 01-23-2011, 01:44 AM
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My initial thoughts from the pictures is this looks like a clean car. HOWEVER there are no photos of the bottom of the car or the infamous " hell hole ". The hell hole is the area under/around where the battery is mounted. Over the years as the cars were in the rain or being washed the water mixes with battery acid that may have leaked and it eats away at the metal in that area. If bad enough it rots away the inner suspension ear on the passenger side. Also you need to inspect under the outer rocker covers to see if the " longs " are rotted. These cars love to rust . If you are staying with a 4 cylinder yes it is cheaper then a 911 to rebuild. You may find that you want to backdate those hideous front and rear bumpers but that is easily done.
I have a 911SC and a 1975 914 GT clone and love them both . How much is the seller asking for the roller ?
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Price is not so easy to compare, since y'all do Dollars, and we do Euro's.. old Porsche cars alsoy more expensive around here.

But maybe this works for a comparisson... He's asking the price of a well sorted out 944/2 NA.
You know, a good driver, with 9/10 cosmetics and interior, no damage, good mechanics..

That's his asking price


Now, i'll definately make sure to check the hell hole you describe. And yes, the floor pan as well.
Haven't gone to look yet, car is 300 km up north in Holland, but the seller is a 914 specialist shop.. a german that seems to be very good at his job.
But it's been parked for 16 years, so that might have been what kept it clear and with little rust.. who knows.

I asked him for some more detail description, so i can make up my mind and decide if it's worth the trip.
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Have it put on a lift and check out the underside.

If it looks as good as the top side, buy it before I do. ;>)
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Bloody leprechaun's, they're after me lucky 914!
EDIT oh, wait, Dublin California?!?
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any advice is greatly appreciated.
Looks like the car was hit in the passenger front, you can see evidence of a repair and repaint in that area.
Not necessarily a bad thing, i'm just pointing it out.

There also appears to be a rather large patch panel in the engine bay on the drivers side wall right above the relay board.

And yes, we would need mor pictures of the usual trouble areas like the top of the long under the battery tray (hell hole), the pass. side jack post with the rocker panel removed, the rear of the floor pans behind the seats with the carpet removed, the pass. side suspension console area from under the car ...


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The stock injection is so-so to find parts for. Some parts are not hard to find (and some parts, like Jeff Bowlsby's wiring harnesses, are better than Porsche ever made them!) but others like the Manifold Pressure Sensor (MPS) are getting quite hard to find.

From what I can tell, 914s are much pricier and rather less common in Europe than 944s are. As a result, I don't have any real idea of how a disassembled 914 would compare in value to a running 944.

In California, that looks to be a $1000 roller. It looks very clean from the top side; hopefully the "hell hole", the longitudinal around the jack post, and the firewall are also clean. But we can still find decent drivers for $5K-$8K.

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Looks like the car was hit in the passenger front, you can see evidence of a repair and repaint in that area.
Not necessarily a bad thing, i'm just pointing it out.

There also appears to be a rather large patch panel in the engine bay on the drivers side wall right above the relay board.

And yes, we would need mor pictures of the usual trouble areas like the top of the long under the battery tray (hell hole), the pass. side jack post with the rocker panel removed, the rear of the floor pans behind the seats with the carpet removed, the pass. side suspension console area from under the car ...




Andy, thx for pointing those out, since it's the first 14 i'm looking at in detail, i would never have noticed this patch panel in the engined bay.

Not sure what you mean with the hit right front and repaint.. Not sure what you're looking at, could you clarify which picture and what exactly you spotted?
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In California, that looks to be a $1000 roller. It looks very clean from the top side; hopefully the "hell hole", the longitudinal around the jack post, and the firewall are also clean. But we can still find decent drivers for $5K-$8K.

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914's here, are generally referred to as the VoPo, VolksPorsche.
They weren't marketed as Porsches around here, but as VW's by Porsche..(which was in fact the original idea for all 4 banger 14's)..
So they didn't sell as much here as in the US..
Now the same goes for 911's (volume US vs ROW).. But more classic 911's are being bought up and shipped back to Europe...

Then again, a 1000 roller early 911, by the time it arrives in europe, will be a 4-6 K roller 911 again...
It's a different market completely
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Andy,

is this the part where you see some traces of past damage, now repaired?
It does look a bit different from the other side, not much, just a bit.

It looks minor to me, so if the panels fit properly, in that location i think it's minor, or not?
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seller got back to me, apparantly there are some rust issues below, one of the chassi beams apparantly needs attention.
He's going to send me pics tomorrow.

At least he's honest and upfront about it.
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is this the part where you see some traces of past damage, now repaired?
It does look a bit different from the other side, not much, just a bit.

It looks minor to me, so if the panels fit properly, in that location i think it's minor, or not?
Yes, that is the area. And I never said it was "major"

Just something to be aware of. The support was obviously repaired and then repainted (you can see overspray on the plastic ring and the aluminum chassis code plate).

My point was simply to make you aware of the fact that this car has been in a (minor) frontal impact and there may be more damage and repairs in that area that you don't have images of ...

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No no i'm not arguing your comments, far from it, i appreciate them greatly, and am impressed by the sharp spotting you've done.. I hadn't even noticed the details you mentioned..
The thing is growing on me, can't wait to get e extra pics of the bottom rust issues..
Want to go check it out in person, have an early 911 buddy , fellow Pelican on standby to go along...
Next weekend, i think i'll be busy clearing out the garage..just in case
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Also looks like a spot of rust, passenger side, under the base of the vinyl.

Usually the cars rust out below the battery box area.. which effects rear suspension pick up point. Also, jackpoints rust out as they tend to trap moisture and road grime. If possible, always pop off the bottom of the rocker panel to get a look at the jack points.
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yeah, noticed that one.. that spot of rust under the vinyl doesn't worry me to much.
Jack points, and rocker panel, i'll put those on my list.

still waiting for extra pics ....
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Hey Stijn, judging from the pics and the shop, it looks like a car from Arno Wienands

I've known him for quite a while. He knows his 914s and is an honest guy.
If there are issues with the car, he'll point them out.
Not the guy to find the bargain of the week (we all need to make a living), but he'll make up for that in advice.

Once you start diggin, you'll always find something (no matter what, it's an old car)
But paying extra for a (more) solid car is a lot cheaper than fixing a bad one.

Arno's place is worth a visit. Make sure to call ahead just to make sure he has time for you
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you guessed right Jeroen, it's Arno.

Agreed, more money means more solid car.
but if i had more money, i'de probably be looking for 911 projects

When i had my 911 , i was renting a garage space to work on it, not even close to my appartment. Now i have a house with a bigass garage, and i need a project...
So what do i like about this specimen
-It's got reasonable paint.. it doesn't require much in the way of a complete spray job
-It's cheap
-It's complete, and unmolested, with full history
-the engine is old, stood still, but it didn't explode..
-it oughta keep me busy, but driving this summer still looks like a reasonable goal
-I'de like to learn how to weld, so if it's not to bad, i can learn with this project
-914's in Belgium are less common, i should be able to flip it again in a few years without to much loss, when the 911 bug itches again... Or i can still opt to go crazy and drop that flat6 2.9 shortstroker MFI in it.. already have the case, the pump , oil pump , the heads and the TB's. Just need P&C's , cam's and some tidbits.
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Ask the seller to remove the side rocker panels and take pictures aroung the jack ports. Even a small hole under or around the ports can be $$ trouble.
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got a ****load of pics, and the Hellhole looks rather bad...
detail pictures also revealed other imperfections, paint bubbles that weren't visible in the earlier pics.. First pics i had it cosmetically as a 8/10, second batch it's just a 6/10..

since i'm not much of a welder, and i'm not looking for a project that stretches well into next winter.. i decided to pass up on this car. blown engines i don't mind.. blown chassis, especially targa's.. been there, done that , no mas.


I do appreciate this Arno guy, he was very upfront and helpfull about it.
But like jeroen mentioned, better to wait and spend a few extra coins on a car that's in better shape..
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