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WTB 914-6 with 911s motor #961890

$1000 finders fee/bounty for anyone who can put me in touch with the current owner of this car/motor.

Last seen listed on Ebay in 2007, seemingly attached to a 1974 914-6 according to the Ebay link - 74-914-6-911-S-Motor-Fast-Beautiful-Race-Prep

Last seen by a Early S Registry member associated with the following Ebay link (not active).

http://www.early911sregistry.org/forums/showthread.php?45973-Anybody-looking-for-67-S-Engine-961890&p=729238

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/74-914-6-911-S-Motor-Fast-Beautiful-Race-Prep_W0QQitemZ180185343565QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6430Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Old 04-30-2014, 04:34 AM
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Porsche 911s engine #961890 is STOLEN

Well it seems we have had a bit of a setback... so before I go naming names and pointing fingers, I will make one public post in hopes of not having to do so.


Porsche engine # 961890 was STOLEN while the car was undergoing restoration in Deland, FL in 1994. The cars owner is a 40+ year family friend of the my shops owner and I have been tasked with locating a close matching engine for the car. Upon recieving the COA I started hunting for the correct engine number... That is where this story begins~

Within a day of my original post I was contacted by an individual who for now shall remain "MK" in Texas. After a few phone calls, he said he knew who had our motor, but the gentleman who is a pilot who was currently in Brussles, but used to live in Texas and now resides in Tennessee where he drives the car daily. He also said the motor had different carbs on it but the owner may have the IDS carbs etc... he seemed fairly familiar with the car/motor. I asked a price and he threw out $35,000~ OK that is pretty high but I know the market and that is not far off, but still wanted to negotiate directly with the owner.

At this point I had not reveled the motor was formerly stolen as it did not really matter to us - we simply want to get the motor reunited with the chassis.

I recieved a call again from MK yesterday and was told that the owner of the motor would be happy to sell it, but wanted to deal through a gentleman who is a 914 mechanic in Texas who will remain "RL" for now. At this point I was informed that the price of the motor was $35,000 and included only the long block, no carbs, no tins, no nothing~ The motor would be shipped from Tennessee to RL in Texas who would strip it and send it to us. He gave me RLs' contact details and said I should talk with him.

IMHO this is just plain extorsion as MK was adamant that it added $50k+ to the value of the car and the price was $35K if we wanted it. This is the point at which I lost my cool and decided to inform MK that the motor was in fact stolen about 20 years ago... Suddenly his tone changed quite a bit, as you might expect. The conversation didn't last long then and I was told to speak with RL about it.

I informed MK that I am not trying to get anyone here in trouble, but I also won't be extorted and would like to work out a fair deal with the current owner, get a replacement engine etc... Not trying to get it for free - more then willing to pay a FAIR price. I have no doubt that MK, RL nor the current owner had any idea it was stolen given the fact that the car was last publicly sold on Ebay in 2007.

After 2 days of trying to reach RL in Texas I decided to give MK a call back today and he was not very helpful and now the story has completely changed. I was informed today that it was not the correct engine number and to forget about it, as the motor is no longer for sale... funny how it was available yesterday for $35,000 but now that the truth is out it is no longer available...

When I questioned his story he then claimed to not even know the Pilot from Tennessee who owned the car and all of his information came from RL. OK fine. When I said I probably shouldn't have mentioned it was stolen he almost shouted and said "WELL OF COURSE YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE, YOU'VE SCARED THEM BOTH OFF". Well obviously at this point I am being stonewalled and tried to reinforce the fact that I just wanted to be put in touch with the current owner, not trying to cause trouble, and try to work something out which got me nowhere.

MK stuck to his new story and when I told him I would have no choice but to put all of the information I have out to the public before trying to pursue legal action, in hopes of having someone else contact me, to which he told me to go ahead - and here we are~

In summary:

The owner of car/chassis #500507S had the engine #961890 STOLEN while being restored in Deland, FL in 1994.
The engine was noted to be in a 914-6 which was last sold publicly on Ebay in 2007.
I recieved a call saying they had the motor - now they say they don't

I will wait for a response before naming names in hopes that the involved parties come to their senses and step back up to the negotiation table.

MK in Texas - contact me knowing where the motor in
RL in Texas, 30+ year 914 mechanic who i've been unable to reach
*current owner* International airline pilot who lived in Texas up until about 6 months ago and was recently in Brussles - now resides in Tennessee and daily drives the car which the motor lives in, presumeably still a 914-6.

Sorry for the long post but wanted to put all of this information out there in hopes of recovering this motor.
Any information please call John or Beal at Check Point Auto - 770-951-1777

WE JUST WANT A FAIR DEAL ON OUR MOTOR.

Thanks
John

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Whoa. I'm reminded of an old story of a stolen 914-6 chassis...
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Well I can't vouch for the 914-6 chassis - I wouldn't rule anything out at this point, although it is a bit harder to pass along a stolen chassis without it raising eyebrows, I know it's been done before~

Unfortunatly it is the way of this crooked world~
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I'm talking about a pretty famous story. Nothing to do with this car.
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Yeah i didn't figure as much but guess i'm not familiar with the story you speak of~
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If it's stolen property, it is still stolen property. Call the police.
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Thanks everyone,

Yes if we have to get the police and lawyers involved, that will be our last resort. As I said, I honestly don't believe any of these people involved knew the motor was stolen until I made them aware of it.

Now that they are aware, I hope they do not try and hide or deface the motor in any way, as that will only make them look guilty. We are the people the motor is worth the most to, at this point it has a black eye and any attempt to sell it on the open market should hopefully lead the potential buyer to this information I have posted.

I appreciate the feedback. Anyone know of a guy with a 914-6 in Tennessee with a 67s motor in it please contact me.
Thanks all~
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If you call the cops and make a police report, they should be able in short order to check the serial number on the engine, assuming you know where the car is. That should be relatively easy for the police assuming it is currently registered. If they find the car and verify that the engine is the one reported stolen, they can impound the car. If these guys are unwilling to do the right thing and deal with you, I would not hesitate to call the cops. If that happens please "out" these guys so we all know what type of men they are.
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Did you file a theft report with the authorities back in 94? If so refresh the police with latest updates.

If not, why not?????
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Yes a police report was filed back in 94. At this point I am waiting to hear back from the cars owner to see how he would like to proceed. As I said he is not interested in pursuing a legal battle or sending the cops after anyone.

I will go ahead and say that I hope Mike (MK) and Rich (RL) will come back out of the woodwork and get the current owner in contact with us~ Otherwise we may not ever find it...

On the other hand if the owner hits the lotto sometime soon we can buy Franks '67s motor which is only 3 digits off the original # 861887
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Get the police involved. That is one less ********* out there that wants to steal
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I don't know...if this was me and I found out that someone had my (reported to police) stolen motor, I would give them the chance to return it, assuming I had proof that I in fact owned it. If they did not promptly acknowledge that and agree to return it, I would just call the police or CHP and tell them. Really, it would be the case I would be after at this point.
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This story sounds like BS...

If you have legal right to the engine, file a police report. If the PO doesn't want to pursue it, that's fishy too.

What is the whole truth? Not this story...
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No BS, all 100% true... although I have left parts out, mainly because I already shown my cards too early and spilled the beans on the stolen motor.

At this point it does not matter anymore so i'll fill in the rest... As I said, everything I have posted is the truth 100%. Although I am more interested in finding the motor then the owner is as he is almost 75 and has no interest in the cars anymore, yet alone persuing a legal battle to find the motors which were stolen over 20 years ago.

He has moved twice in that time period and can not find the original police report which was filed. I have contacted the department that it was filed with and because the crime did not involve a rape or a murder, the records are shredded after 8 years. I left messages with the auto theft department but never heard anything back, presumeably because they have no way of finding the records for it so I'm pretty much stuck there.

I have contacted Ebay in hopes of finding information of the buyer/seller but of course, they are useless and of no help either, so i'm pretty much stuck on all the leads I had and can only hope that those who contacted me will contact me again... but as I said at this point it does not really matter...

After talking with the owner I told him a proper replacement motor would be about $35,000 he almost had a stroke (not really but you know what I mean). Yet alone the car was already undergoing an amateur restoration and while he did a pretty good job the car is in pieces for the most part and will take a bit more then just a motor to get it going again.

He bought this car for like $6000 in 1975 so even though he knows it could be worth $150,000 or better, he has no interest in it anymore and will be selling the cars. I have tried to get an idea on the value of the car but no response yet so i'll make a post about it soon or it will sell to a private collector here in Georgia who has shown interest.

Here is a picture of the cars in question when we pulled them from his storage unit...

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Your "story" is BS. You never had proof of the motor being stolen other that the 75 year old owner telling you it was stolen. No police report, nothing about a engine being stolen in the local newspaper, Population 27,000 in 2012. A small town where there might be two Porsches in the entire town. That's big news in a small town where they list the police reports IN the newspaper. You just want the engine because it make the "pile of parts" worth more. To accuse people of stealing parts without any proof is wrong. You should be banned.
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Your "story" is BS. You never had proof of the motor being stolen other that the 75 year old owner telling you it was stolen. No police report, nothing about a engine being stolen in the local newspaper, Population 27,000 in 2012. A small town where there might be two Porsches in the entire town. That's big news in a small town where they list the police reports IN the newspaper. You just want the engine because it make the "pile of parts" worth more. To accuse people of stealing parts without any proof is wrong. You should be banned.
Just got home - this is my personal account. You can believe what you will. The fact is that it is not a "STORY". This is a personal accounting from a 40+ year family friend. My boss actually rebuilt that motor before it was stolen and was well aware of when and where it was stolen. Bottom line is I was hoping over the last few weeks that the original owner could dig up the original police report but could not.

Everything I have posted is the truth 100%. SO KISS MY ASS.
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yeah and I have a 2.2 S engine that was in my 69S besides the original. Do you a want the serial number of it? maybe it was "stolen" from one of the other "project cars" you have rotting away in back of your shop?

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