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Are these Fuchs?

Hey all, I came across these recently and yes they look rough! I can't see the rear of them to check for part numbers. Are there any tell tale signs of them being Fuchs or not. I suspect they are not due to the amount of rust and the highly recessed lug holes but can anyone else give a better shout??!!! Cheers



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I’d say they are not genuine for the same reason you spotted, those lug nuts are meant to stand proud of Fuchs and not sit recessed into the wheel. Even if they are genuine they are 30+ year old wheels that have obviously not been looked after and are worth scrap at most. I can see just from those pictures that they’ve been curbed multiple times and fitted to the car incorrectly. The 8in seem to be on the left side of the car and the 7in on the right side and who puts wheel weights there on Fuchs
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Good spot on the off sets on opposite sides! The common replicas don't seem to have the lugs recessed has anyone any pics of this else where can't see any!

Yes not good nick at all but I'm considering doing them all over satin black as a spare rough set and they are miles from me so would need shipped!

My first set of Fuchs on a Porsche had stick on weights on the outer rim the mind boggles. That would be in my top Porsche sins along with calling any pre 1985.5 944 an S2 in adverts and calling cookie cutters, Fuchs!!
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Could just be short lugnuts.

Cleaned-up Fuchs are worth pretty penny. The 911 guys will give lots for 16x8". I sold my last set for $1850.
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Indeed they are worth a pretty penny!

I’ve acquired then sold at least 4 sets over the years, the first ones I had I hand polished the whole wheel - they looked great!

I really want a set to keep rather than punt on, these are indeed rough but might be able to do something with them if the price is ok!
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16x9s have recessed lug holes, as do the 951-specific Fuchs.

The rust is just brake dust.

Nothing to me says they are guaranteed replicas. Would require closer look to determine.

Fuchs for a long time had weights on the outside. The balancer technology to put weights on the inside was not always commonplace. Outside weights are typically more effective anyway.

Except for clip-on weights, which are stupid (don't work on Fuchs anyway).

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16x9s have recessed lug holes, as do the 951-specific Fuchs...
Never knew that, thanks for the clarification.

Are they really still desirable being so old and obviously fatigued? I wouldn’t put my trust in a set even if they’ve been refurbished unless they’d been professionally trued and magnafluxed. I know Harvey Weidman does the full pro refurb to factory finish, those I’d pay for.
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Thanks for all the input, as I am unable to view them I have gambled and pulled the trigger at £180 all in (thats $233 inc taxes and shipping for the 4).

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Never knew that, thanks for the clarification.

Are they really still desirable being so old and obviously fatigued? I wouldn’t put my trust in a set even if they’ve been refurbished unless they’d been professionally trued and magnafluxed. I know Harvey Weidman does the full pro refurb to factory finish, those I’d pay for.
Depending just how bad they are they will get a full refurb, they aren't going on a track or even fast road car so I'm not slightly worried about fatigue! Failing that they will be weighed in for scrap!!

I will post up back the results whether there is a little fox staring back at me on the inside or not!!
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Never knew that, thanks for the clarification.

Are they really still desirable being so old and obviously fatigued? I wouldn’t put my trust in a set even if they’ve been refurbished unless they’d been professionally trued and magnafluxed. I know Harvey Weidman does the full pro refurb to factory finish, those I’d pay for.
I know the 9s do. And from pictures the 951 P/N wheels appear to have recessed holes.

And yes, pretty sketchy to use Fuchs for regular performance use, given their fatigue. Fuchsfelge does batches of new ones every few years or so. However, new wheels still use a design that is over thirty years old.

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they aren't going on a track or even fast road car so I'm not slightly worried about fatigue!
I imagine you are aware that they won't fit a 1991 944. Not properly, at any rate.

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Easy to spotted a real Fuchs from Replicas,take one off & check the markings inside ,it should have markings as in the pics ...triangle ... and with the little foxe head ...

..also pics of a Carrera Fuchs wheel.
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Most of the reps have thick metal that make up the "petals" of the wheel. They're most often cast, not forged and that means lots more metal is needed to hold things together. Also the backside will likely feel smooth(er) on a fuchs wheel, and rough on the back of a cast wheel.

So, if you can't take off the wheels, feel the thickness of each spoke with your fingers and if they're thick, most likely reps. If thin, most likely real. If you have a known real set of fuchs to compare, that will help if you're not used to making the comparison. But as mentioned above, find the part numbers to know for sure...

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Another tell is real Fuchs are super light.

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Thanks for all the useful insights folks!

Well remarkably having bought these and paid mid afternoon yesterday they turned up this morning which is lightening fast, I expected maybe next week!

Sorry not many pics yet but whatever they are, they are in much better condition than I expected! One has some pitting on the rear and all have about the thickest coat of brake dust I have ever seen which I assumed in the pics was rust. The kerb rash is not to bad and definitely fixable.

I don't have any time nor tools and the sender has made a very crude attempt to locate an offset for me on one which has exposed a makers serial seen in the pic which is very hard to make out at a glance one has something like FCO stamped on the rear of a petal and they feel pretty light! Sorry dreadful image but attached it anyway.

Once I get them under the pressure washer at the weekend I will post proper images. I hand polished my last set which I will not be doing with these as the upkeep was too high. I'm probably going to go stock with satin black centres.

Can they be sandblasted?

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the lip is anodized which is quite delicate.

iron-x will remove the brake dust chemically. it has worked well for me on similar looking caked on brake dust. mechanical removal might have disastrous results.
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thanks! Sorry when I say sandblasted I mean to take them back to bare metal to refinish.
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Those look like real Fuchs markings to me, I can see the fox and the 10.62 offset stamp for the rear wheel. Glad to hear they are in better shape than expected, regardless they’ll need some work you got a great deal!
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Thanks they'll never be concours but I will do something with them!
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951 version of Fuchs have these part#

16x7 = 951.362.115.00 , 23.3mm offset
16x8 = 951.362.117.00 , 23.3mmn offset

rare 911
16x9 = 911 362 119 00 , 15mm offset

Special thing about these wheels is spokes are shifted to outside more than regular Fuchs to clear large brakes. Hence sunken lugs look.
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Thanks for those, with nothing much more than water I cleaned up some serials it appears they match the 951 serials you posted danno!

The outer weight on one looks original and there are the strange valve supports which I’ve seen before!

The wheel in the picture is the worst the anodised rim is surface stained and some kerb rash which is less than 1mm deep.

I’ve never seen such thick brake dust they are remarkably unscathed underneath!



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Be careful not to use any acid-based cleaners, they'll etch anodized layer.

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