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Doofus Award

On another board (vintage Stangs) there is an award that people call the "Doofus Award". It is "given" to the person who demonstrates his/her ability to do some really studid *****. So I thought I would start (at least try) the "Doofus Award" on this board because I really did something STUPID. Here is my story.

Don't know if you recall a few weeks ago I was having trouble getting the pulley off the crankshaft, but after a little guidance from "the board", I was able to remove the pulley. I used a gear puller, but the initail problem was the shaft of the puller was going inside the threads of the crank. In my search to correct this problem, I grabbed a 3/8 drive allen wrench socket (6mm allen head) and inserted it in the front of the crank to prevent the shaft of the puller from going back in the threaded area of the crank. Pulley comes off and my problem solved.
Fastforward to the re-install of the belts and pulleys. I look down and realized that I forgort to remove my socket from the front of the crank and it won't come out. I tapped on it, tried the vise-grips and it still won't come out. I tried to back it out with my 1/2" breaker bar and broke the 1/2 to 3/8 adapter. I tried to drill out a hole so I could put a rod in the middle and pry it out. No go, it won't come out. Its still there.
If I cannot drill out this socket that is stuck in the crank snout, I'm looking at having to pull the $*@!& motor out. I think I get the Doofus Award, at least for today. Besides drilling it out, anyone have any suggestions???

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my father runs a 67 mustang with a 5.0 out of an 89 and the 5 speed. Intake, headers, exhaust, and underdrive pulleys (x-mas present from me), he also has a disk brake conversion in the front, stiffer leafs in the back, bigger rear sway bar, and posi rear end (looking for a 9") . Too bad my mom won't let him insure it, I really miss that thing. If only I had a 951, then I would be able to pick on him in a straight line too, untill then I need a nice twisty road :-D
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You sound desperate, so here is one thing to try. I don't know if you can run the engine, or how easy it would be to heat the area up a bit, but do that, and then shoot some compressed air from a can into the area directly aroung the hex. If you hold the can upside down, it will shoot the air out as a very cold liquid and cool the thing down. It just might shrink it enough to get out, I don't know. You can get those cans at computer/ office supply stores for dusting out electronics.
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Pike has a pretty good idea, heating the area up might be a bit tricky though.

I would give it a few good raps with a hammer.

I would also take the crank bolt to a automotive store and buy the appropriate tap - you are probably going to have to renew some threads. Fingers crossed you do not knock the hole out of round.

I like the idea of a doofus award! I think this one falls more into the "oh *****" category rather than "doofus".

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Can you drill and tap where the hex drive part of the socket is? If you can, screw a bolt into it getting 4 or 5 threads engaged. Then use some sort of slider hammer or puller on the protruding end of the bolt to knock or pull the stuck socket out. The socket is hardened so proceed slowly with the tap.
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LC, I drilled a hole through the top of the socket, inserted a 5/16 bolt into the center of the socket, then drilled the same size hole through the bolt so I could put a rod the same size through the drilled hole. Stay with me. I put a slide weight on the bolt and used it like a slide hammer. NO GO.

Great Idea, only problem been there, done that!
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roughly, how far in the hole is the socket?

Is there a possibility that the hole has been deformed?

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I'm not sure how much of the socket's OD is in contact with the ID of the crank. The total possible contact length is about 3/4". The hole isn't deformed, yet.
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Getting back to the heating/cooling. If you could get your hands on some dry ice, I'd try packing the center of the socket. It will get considerably colder than the crank. When it is colder, I'd try the slide hammer thing again.

If you cannot get dry ice, buy some R134 and make up a little copper tube nozzle with radial holes with the end plugged. Insert this into the socket, chill it, then quickly insert the slide hammer gizmo you made up. When the R134 expands, it'll get very cold. Propane would work even better but it is explosive and toxic.

Once upon a time a product called Freeze Mist was sold. It was essentially R12 with a little spray nozzle for chilling electrical components. It cooled things nicely.

I'd try a lot of things before I removed the engine. Just don't screw up the crankshaft end.
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If its not to far in there and you are going to have to tap the hole anyway you could probably stick a bolt in there and mig weld the bolt to the socket so you could try to back it out/pull it out. Then you could make a puller that work the opposite way of the one you used to pull the gear with. BTW let me know if you need a hand trying to get it out. I think I remember you being in huntsville.

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I assume the hole in the crank where it is stuck is a dead end hole? Why not tap the entire length of the socket. Then when you put a bolt in the socket, it'll bottom out in the crank. So when you turn it, it will force the socket out because the bolt bottoms in the hole. In order to turn the tapped bolt, the socket has to come out.
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YOu are gonna need some serious leverage here........

like a 3 foot 20 pound slide hammer..........
mig weld.....
heat and cold..........

and hammer away.

No other option...........

That definitely is an OMG award........not a doofus....

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Next time buy crappy tools, they shatter if you bang on them with a hammer. Problem is booth items are probably hardened steel. The bolt idea sounds good, but make sure you get a good grade bolt. That way it may not snap. Heat will probably work best. You may need a welding torch though I dont think propane will generate enough heat. It will also require "The Hammer of Justice" or any suitable 4 lb hammer. If all else fails take the front end of the car off and drill it out.
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Ok ...

My neighbor has a good idea....

but be carefull and go slow....

Get a carbide tip/die grinder and grind away at the socket.... if you go slow you will be able to cut it into little chunks...
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Roger, IT is a cheap socket! A neighbor of mind has a welding set we're going to weld threaded stock to the socket, then try to work it out. I can't explain it right now, but I'll take a few picks and try to explain later. If all else fails, we'll get the die grinder out and cut away!

Stay tuned!
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I would try a method I use to remove spigot bearings. Fill the socket up with grease as far as you can then use the extention bar.

1) fill with grease
2) place extention bar at the entrance of hole
3) give the other end of the bar a sharp hit with a hammer

The force of the grease trying to escape should remove the socket.
You may have to repeat a couple of times. Hope this helps
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If that does not work I don't know if you can get liquid nitrogen were you are. If you can carefully sray sum on the socket and freeze it then either hit it with a hammer or throw some very hot water on it and it should shatter. I have only used this method on pad locks when I have lost the key its easyer than a saw and alot quicker.
In retrospeck use other method.
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