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Welcome! I LOVE my gemini grey '84!

Excited to see the continued progress, and also wishing I had a complete set of 951 dials myself...

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What brand of paint products did you use?
What grit sandpaper did you use on final primer/sealer blocking?
Were you using an pneumatic DA or a 110V sander?
Did your neighbors complain?
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We went with Valspar base, and Automotive Art clear coat. The clear was pricey, at about 300/gal, but well worth it! I think we got down to about 800 grit, wet. I could be wrong, as Jet and his buddy Ray (that E36 peeking out from behind the 944 is his, and happens to be a turbocharged fire-breathing monster) did the lion's share of the wet-sanding. The sander we used for the first take-down, and initial bondo, was a pneumatic DA, but the vast majority of time was spent blocking and hand-sanding.

Both my neighbors are awesome, actually, and would come by to check out progress... We were able to keep noise down by putting the compressor in the garage, and closing the door. Never a peep, but I do owe them both a ride once complete

Great questions, John; thank you! I'll include a supplies list and costs tally at the end.

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I'm absolutely in love that that car!!! There's no way I could have resusted buying it either. My very first 944 was an 85.1 in Stone Grey and it was a great car. I honestly regret getting rid of the car. Seeing your car brings back so many good memories. Youve done an awesome job with the car thus far and I'm looking forward to seeing more updates on the car!
Same here; it's a gem! Stone is very nice, too. Honestly, I debated whether to veer slightly from the Gemini, and go with Stone or even Meteor. I prefer a colder color on this car, but the added brown/gold in Gemini, albeit warmer, really enriches the look. I saw a brand new Lexus in something like Gemini, so maybe this shade is making a comeback.

Thanks for the kind words, and welcome to the fold!

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Welcome! I LOVE my gemini grey '84!

Excited to see the continued progress, and also wishing I had a complete set of 951 dials myself...
Thanks and welcome! If you look at the priming pics, you'll see that the wheels on the driver's side are the original, early offset 15's that came with the car. I only mounted the one side with 951 wheels, so I could let the contrast marinate, a little. I was debating selling them on, but really dig the look. What a difference an inch makes (TWSS)! The whole character of the car changes with that deep dish in the back. They've been refinished now, and with new rubber really do look the part.

Progress will continue, for sure
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Iím going to 7Ē and 8Ēx16 D90ís on my 924S over the very weedy 15x6 phone dials, one of which is a bit nicked-up. I know, maybe Iíll lose some steering and handling delicacy but Iím as shallow as the next guy and want the better looks.
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Iím going to 7Ē and 8Ēx16 D90ís on my 924S over the very weedy 15x6 phone dials, one of which is a bit nicked-up. I know, maybe Iíll lose some steering and handling delicacy but Iím as shallow as the next guy and want the better looks.
Small, skinny wheels irk me. Tire choice, handling, so many reasons to at least +1. D90's and similar offset/faced wheels look like they belong on the 924. On the other hand, in my humble opinion, the 944 just looks right rolling Chicago pizza, if you catch my drift.

I try not to worry about period-correct, because if the design works well with the style of the car, why not? My new-ish Subaru wears 2-decade-old JDM wheels, after all.

What'd you do for rubber?
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Back to the Volvo: going thru some pics I found this, from last year... probably the last time the she was clean! Good old Brick.

This pic also shows said JDM wheels on my BRZ, an OG set of SSR Comps in 17 by 8.5, and tipping the scales at under 15lbs a piece
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Your taste in cars is to be commended, incl. the Asian stuff. And the e46 was a great family of cars ... maybe the last to maintain sensible engineering? e90's were nice to drive but had too many goofy issues, often wallet-destroying.

John
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Thank you, Jeff. Coming from someone with a rap-sheet as long as yours, I'm quite chuffed, as you might say! I'm definitely budget limited, but we do the best we can within our means, right? I truly enjoy all the cars, and each one has its purpose. Still planning to sell the Lexus, but I've developed a soft spot for its simplicity, availability of parts, and reliable engineering. It's got about 90k on it and shows new inside: nothing squeaks or rattles; the plastic and leather are perfect. Great mechanically, as well. It's perfectly boring to drive, if that's your thing at the moment.

The BMW has only 55k miles on it, and is a joy to drive. 25/75 F/R split, and great balance for an AWD car. Aside from the front axles rarely making it more than 50k miles, the engineering is also robust, and it's much accessible than modern ones. As you say, perhaps the last BMW a guy like me can maintain on his own.

And the Volvo... is a Volvo! That red-block 8v turbo is no slouch, and puts more torque to the ground than any other car on the lot. It'll fit a sheet of plywood laid flat in the back, so it's the perfect hauler (when it's running!).

The BRZ is my daily, and gets most of the seat time. 57k miles now and just about to come off warranty, so I'm plotting my course. A little boost would be nice, and supercharger kits are bolt-on and relatively inexpensive. 200hp in a 2700lb car is fun, but it kinda needs 300. New one coming out may have a turbo, so who knows.

Anyhow, enough with my rambling. It's time for paint!
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Part three: Paint

Final taping was finished off in the morning. It's hard to tell from the pic, but that paper goes well in - almost to the center console. We'd decided to leave the doors on for the paint job, and this depth grants a little more access to shoot the vertical jambs and inner door areas. We also set up a tent, to keep tree-sap from spoiling the surface. Thankfully, the acorns haven't started falling, yet!






















Not too shabby. The Valspar base went down really well, thanks to a Devilbiss gun. After a little color sanding, she was ready for clear.
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And it's go time!



For this particular clear coat (Automotive Art), a Sata paint gun was employed with great results. Bumpers and sunroof went first, and the color went down a few octaves





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The rest of the car followed suit, with a solid three coats of clear going on.















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The talent behind the paint gun, Jet, surveying a good day's work:

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Wow. Bang...the coolest thread here ... in a heartbeat.

(BTW, Good painters always seem to be lean, wiry guys.)

How many hours of bodywork and prep?

Totally inspiring.

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Looking great! Love the progress...
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That's one hell of a paint job!!! Pretty amazing given there was no spray booth used. It looks incredible!!
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Thank you guys. It took us about three weeks to get from tear-down to paint. Ballpark, I'm going to estimate that about 120-150 hours worth of prep & body work went into the car.

I thought about setting up a booth in my garage, and purchased the PVC and 5 mil plastic to do so, but Jet assured me we'd be able to achieve a high standard outside. Glad I listened, as the booth would have just added more complication to the process. That said, there were a few dust nibs to clean up here and there, but that likely would've happened inside as well.

All in all, we were both really happy with the results. Especially the clear coat, which surprised even Jet with how well it went down. We also lucked out with favorable, low humidity conditions on paint and clear-coat days.
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That's one hell of a paint job!!! Pretty amazing given there was no spray booth used. It looks incredible!!
Indeed! I have some understanding as to whatís involved and as such, continue to be so impressed by this project. Think about it as a sensible idea: buy a mechanically good 944, but with rough paint (theyíre still relatively common like this).... eek, thatíll drive nice but look pretty meh, but ... then refinish the car to an unusually high standard in one of the best colors imaginable, and you have a desirable and satisfying Porsche in your driveway. Perfect? Who cares. Respectable and appealing driver? Thatís what Iíd aspire to.

As said, to me this is an unusually outstanding project and achievement. The velocity and quality of the storytelling doesnít hurt, either.

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John, you've got the idea. Aim for the stars, and be disappointed. I'll be happy with a low orbit.

With paint done, that brings us to Part 4: Reassembly. Let's put Sputnik back together



Big shiny parts aside, there were a lot of loose ends that needed to be tied off. Seals were cleaned and reconditioned, where possible. Trim and brackets were sanded and repainted. All bulbs were replaced, and lamps cleaned, polished, and rewired if necessary.















One thing we missed during tear-down was the fact that the fogs are both driver's side units. As purchased, the passenger side had been installed upside down to accommodate! Jet noticed this after I'd reconditioned them, so I hopped on eBay to snag two passenger units, one for Portia and one for the now spare set. The discolored and cracked passenger tail was also replaced with a nice, but used OEM piece, as well as the driver's side turn signal. The little things do add up, but really make a difference.
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The mirrors and headlight surrounds were covered in some nasty residue. Looks like double sided tape... My money is on Christmas decoration, or maybe car-lashes and earrings??



A little Goo-Gone, and a lot of Back-to-Black, and they looked right again:



The carpet-optioned door cards were doing surprisingly well on their own since the divorce. After a gentle reintroduction, and some glue, they're back together for good.







The hatch seal was replaced with a new URO piece, which fit well and looks the part:





Oh, hello.







The doors, handles, and mirrors went on without issue, and the car was essentially back together. Ok, fine, I broke the driver's side mirror glass because I'm a ham-fisted rube, but other than that... good!
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While everything was, in fact, back together, the interior was filthy after all the work... so I yanked out the seats to have a go. Shortly after getting them out, a brown truck showed up with some staggered-width 16" summer tires (no spoilers!).







Not finding enough change to call it quits for the day, thorough cleaning ensued.







The seat rails, especially the driver's side, were all gunked up and had some healthy surface rust. So I sanded, power washed, painted, re-greased, and reinstalled them. This Krylon stuff is great, and smells like car paint.





Rails now slide as they should, and ought to stay decent-looking for a while. Down side: adjusting the seat is no longer a replacement for leg day at the gym.



Finally, I can see the floor in here!

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Nice nice nice.

Realize I didnít answer your tire question. My D90ís came on old Michelin snows; Iíll replace them right before the car gets moving under its own power again. I wonít get the Contiís I put on the SC; theyíve been a disappointment on the most basic level of not balancing properly, even with all the tricks of the trade thrown at them. At least in this size there are many choices ... for the stock 195/65/15, not so much.

How much, if any, crud landed in the clear while it was wet/drying? Thatís likely a big worry for anyone else looking to put on their brave-trousers. My guess - only - is that it wasnít to bad, and that Mr. Jett chose a nice fast activator?

John

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