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944 to 968 conversion
Folks, I would like some info on transplanting a 968 motor and transaxle into a Series 1 car, an 84 to be precise. What needs to be done, what can be done, what should I consider before starting the project?
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Engine, transaxle, and engine management(computer with harness) are the main things.
Does the engine include the 968 clutch and bell housing?
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The transplant would be the engine complete, engine management, 6 speed transaxle, clutch, bell housing, etc. but some of the components seem to be for flat out racing and my intention was to make a great highway cruiser. I am told the engine may have performance cams, the engine has a high performance aluminum flywheel, the clutch is a stage 3 clutch, so I have to see if this would be worthwhile will all the changes to be made to make it easy to drive. Originally I had thought of going to a stock LS1 Vette engine but my son thought the 968 option would keep the car Porsche...
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JP look at the thread just above your's it migth help with your project ...Take care Ernie
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I had a shop convert my '86 944 using the engine, TT, transaxle, suspension and brakes from a '94 968 6-spd partscar I had. The work was started in about July 2018 and finished in Nov 2018, then went through the engineering certification process and was legal after some rectification by March 2019.
I'm working in Antarctica until the end of March so dont have access to anything I don't already have online. You can join this Porsche 944 outlaws group if you're on facebook, I uploaded some stuff I compiled from I found from forums and websites all over the internet for the last 10 or so years, lots of which are now dead. My internet here is too slow to be much more help sorry. porsche 944S3 conversions https://www.facebook.com/groups/355048731546630/permalink/698760567175443/ 944 to 968 wiring reference https://www.facebook.com/groups/355048731546630/permalink/698760630508770/
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Thank you very much for the links, I will sign up so that I can access the info. It is much appreciated as I have been torn between doing the LS1 swap or the 968 swap... I am looking for a reliable highway car to travel the country with...
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I am now thinking the same way you are Ernie. My brother has an LS1 with 16000 kilometers in his Vette that he will part with because he wants the hi-performance version of that engine. I need to find a shop that will do the conversion if I go that route because I have a neurological problem that means my fine motor control doesn't exist any more... It sucks! At least someone sells the parts needed for the job.
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Take a look at some of the nice LS conversion threads, lots of money and time, doing and re-doing stuff and sorting out problems over the course of a year or years.
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I had a shop do a 968 transplant into my 944S2 and it was relatively straightforward. Ran that car on track for years and years--it was a great modification. Yes, an LS1 will give more power, but it's a much bigger and more expensive task.
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No trouble with the power brakes, power steering, steering shaft, cooling... Even AC would be easy with a 968 conversion. The LS conversion takes a lot of fabrication and fitting, many many hours of labor and from what I have read things get re-done a lot to iterate towards better results.
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There’s a 95 968 Cab at an upcoming Copart auction in Bakersfield ... it is a Tip, though.
https://www.copart.com/lot/53401960/salvage-1995-porsche-968-ca-bakersfield John |
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Hell, if you dont care of the re-sale value of your car, why not slap the chevy v-8 in that puppy and watch that classic haul tail down the highway. Yeup my response is dry, but when folks start hacking a classic, I usually interject..Good luck..
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Freddie, there are many original 944’s being cherished and preserved for future generations to study and admire, no need to dissuade Smokin from his dreams. I’d think the bigger worry would be dead 944’s getting crushed, although the increasing prices for good cars on BaT will perhaps put an end to that? Either way, my view is that there are plenty of pews in this church.
Shifting gears (knock, knock) I wonder what that Copart 968 Cab Tip will go for? Peace and Love, John |
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definitely not. a 968 swap is bolt-in and less than 10 wires to mess with IIRC. the engines are hard to come across and cost $3-5k, sure, but you'd be hard pressed to get an LS installed, running and sorted for that much. |
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Working on that swap now.
Rebuilt 968 motor going in with RS Barn header New Moton setup Racers Edge Arms with Tarret bumpsteer, and Tarret sway Manual rack S2 Gearbox with Guard LSD The car weighs 2300lbs. This thing should scoot! https://app.photobucket.com/u/mahjik/p/a7ae4193-4ca0-4ab0-9205-a1b64bd38f29 https://app.photobucket.com/u/mahjik/p/fbda5462-01c0-452f-be10-f6e3c6fab08f https://app.photobucket.com/u/mahjik/p/ee33fdb7-4852-4ae4-aec7-9b75f8d05bc1 https://app.photobucket.com/u/mahjik/p/f7e3b0f3-581a-4338-920c-cc2ee2a03cac https://app.photobucket.com/u/mahjik/p/099b75a3-0bbd-4030-af74-cb6d0de856c8 |
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I wasn't aware the 968 transplant was bolt-in, Spence, I was told there was some fabrication involved for both engine and transaxle although I didn't understand why because the platforms are similar. The other problem I encountered is that the 968 engine I was looking at was an engine built to race, completely tricked out if you wil,l from flywheel and stage 3 clutch to cams and such. That didn't sound like what I needed. Hey patfat! I'm guessin Moton is the engine mgmt. setup?
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I havent confirmed the internals are anything other than stock, hopefully with the snowfall comming this weekend i can set aside some time to open it up, I would do all the maintenance first on it before installing, thats a no brainer,. I didnt say the engine would need any mods it bolts in, now if you want the 6 speed to fit with the TT etc, yes might have to modify the rear end, we also discussed swapping in a bigger gas tank again plug and play might not be perfect All things we can talk about, i know your pondering on the idea still wether ls or variocam! cheers. |
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