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924T vs 944T

How does the performance of the 924T compare to the 944T? Also are mods as common for the 924T as the 944T? I want a Porsche of my own and prefer the looks of the 924s.

Old 01-06-2001, 01:47 AM
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No, the performance DOESN'T compare, the 944 turbo is, well MUCH better in that aspect.

However, BOTH powerplants have room for improvement, though the 944 seems to be more reliable with big horsepower, you don't see too many modified 924s, so that could just be inaccurate impressions...

If you were budget limited though, a modified 924 turbo would be interesting. You need to rebuild the engine with performance parts (titanium con rods for example), expensive, but using the best. Put a huge intercooler in, and rebuild the turbo, change the headgasket with a copper one, modify fuel injection, and end up with a 400hp car? Entirely possible, and I'd very much like to see one. THAT would be a sleeper.

I like the looks of the 924s very much as well (just like the 944 looks better).

If you decide to go this route, make SURE you take pics, and let us know about everystep.

At the end though, I'll have to say, the 944 turbo seems a bit more inviting. There are many reasons for this, a more durable block, more modern, all porsche origins, the chasis seems better suited, etc. You can always make some 924 fenders work in front of a 944. I bet you it would look mean as hell with the flares only in the back, I'd love to see one like that too!
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there are a few people in Great Britain that mod their 924 turbos to put out 205 daily-driver reliable horsepower.

the engines in the 924 turbo are easy to get power out of... do the exact same things you would as if you were getting more power out of the NA car. the turbo will breathe a lot easier.

for the record, the most power anyone got out of the 2.0 litre 924 engine is 575Hp. Al Holbert did it back in the IMSA days with his 924GTR. however, that was a qualifying engine and it would only last 3 laps. the most power you can get out of a 924 turbo engine and have it last for an endurance race is 375-430Hp.

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If u want a 924 go for a 924S I think they were made in 87 and 88. I see them for sell all the time. They look like a 924 on the outside but are really a 944, engine , drivetrain, etc. They are ligher than a 944 so a bit faster. I think a stock '88 924S will outrun a stock 924 Turbo. The '88 and maybe some of the late '87's had the '88 944 engine that had more HP than earlier 944's, like 158 compared to 147-150. I believe I am correct on all of this, I am basing most of this from what I have read in Excellence magizine. if I am in error on any of this someone correct me.
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Ahmet & Obin,

Your posts are interesting. The motor in my wife's car is going to need something done within the next year. I,d like to go up on the power a little. Like Ahmet said modified injection and intercooler are needed with a higher boost turbo. Turbo may be hard to find since 924T bolts to the exhaust with 3 bolts.

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I don't like the wide hips aka fender flares that are on the 944.
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I know of a lot of people who prefer the looks of the 924 over the 944. I've heard things like the 944 looks too beefy or overstyled with the flared fenders and spoilers. Most of these folks were 924 fans when the 944 was introduced and they are simply used to the looks of the 924.

I grew up around the 944 and love its looks. I like Fuchs/Cookie Cutters, early interiors and a completely stock appearence on any 944.

In fact, I never warmed up to the looks of the 968, in the same way some people never warmed up to the looks of the 944.

I guess the bottom line is you like what you are used to. I think a souped-up 924 would be badass.
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924T is more of a classic, parts are cheaper, they are rarer, they are more aeordynamic, they handle just as well or better with extra stuff and stiff shocks, the 924T can beat a 944T in a 0-30 since it kicks in lower (turbo) the 924T gets better fuel economy, the 924T has cheaper parts the 924T has a stronger block so it doesn't bust and get bored to hell the 924T the 924T loses in a 0-60 stock but can be modded to come close to a 944T the 931 is cheaper to get and fix up and then sell than a 944t because usually al 944Ts are well taken care of but 924T can be bought cheap and fixed cause they are not taken care of. Way cheaper to maintain especially timing belt stuff and head parts and block etc.
How many run on sentances did I type who knows who cares I don't.
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The 944 grows on me but the 944 flares sorta make it look like Germans just piled them on as an afterthought. If you have never seen a 924, the 944 looks awesome, but when you compare the two side by side you can totally tell that the 944 had the fenders bent out sorta. I like the 944 when I haven't seen a for a while, it looks awesome. But then when I see a 924 the 944 sorta looks overdone again and I go back to liking the classic aero style.
I would park a 944 beside my 924 anyday in the garage, I think its cool how you go back and forth between liking one and wondering if it looks like this of that or not over and over and you never decide which you like best. Bottom line, I like both, but I really like the prices for parts for the 931.
I see the price of parts for the 931 as a huge thing, because I am young and on a budget, if I was older with money I would have both cars.
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I love my 931!!
That being said, I think we have to take price into consideration. I would love a "new" 951 as it would need less work and modification to get power. And the basis for incredible power would be there. But I paid less than $2000 for the 931 and all the 951's I see are closer to $20,000!
At the moment, my 931 is stock to US Specs, which means it puts out about 150 hp, about the same as a 944 n/a. I intend to put in a boost gauge (as soon as it arrives), replace the Air/Fuel gauge (the one I had in died), and then begin modifications starting with a Huntley Racing manual boost pressure regulator. I have been poking around trying to find a used 951 intercooler, though the ultimate would be the original 937 intercooler which bolts right on. I will replace the cat with a bypass pipe.
The Euro spec 931 (no cat, a little more boost) gave about 170 hp which should be easy to achieve. The intercooler on the 924 Carrerra GT added about 40 more for 210 hp. And this can be done relatively cheaply.

I must admit that if I had the funds, I would trade in for a 951 in a minute as the 924 looks mean nothing compared with the performance gains from wider tires, better brakes, etc in the "new" body style.
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Thanks. I'll most likely be getting a 924T. I should be able to get more power than I can handle out of it but that's not saying much.
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they are rarer like I said though, so they are harder to find...only over 5000 but less than 6000 1980 924Ts made.
So you might have to wait a long time. I looked for em ever since I was like 15, saw like 3, the whole 2 years, and 2 of them were broken ones, other was too expensive.
Just happened to be the exact time I wanted to buy one, and I did, it was sent down like an angel!
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As much as I like the 944, I tend to favor the simpler lines of the 924 also. The thing I dont like on the 931 are the extra vents in the nose, I think it spoils the look. I would love to find a running 931 thats been ragged just for the suspension and motor for my 924.

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Yeah the vents..i know what you mean. I like the scoop though on the hood.
You were saying about a ragged one...ha ha thats my car, or was my car...the best cars to buy for a good price are ones that are broken and have been broken for a long time, then they don't get any miles put on them!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nick,
Let us know what you come up with on the intercooler & plumbing involved.

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Check out Patricks 931 page -
http://www.k.kth.se/students/k92_pmn/porsche/index.htm

he has pics of his intercooler in the "porsche picture page" section.
intercooler and boost controller would be the way to go.

Kev

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"you don't see many 924s modified"

No kidding. They are old, no one owns them, they are rare. In fact a 931 is even more rare than a 924. only 5000 or so made in 80.
944s: there are tons of them, and it seems 30 year olds that want power own them.
924s: a lot of hackers own them, either that or old 60 year olds who don't want modifications.
This does not at all mean they can't be modified.
Actually, the 944 block is aluminum, soft, unlike the tractor iron cast hunk the 924 has.
You don't see to many blown 924 blocks, since they are strong. A strong block can afford lots of mods, all you need is pistons and rods (though expensive). Crank is forged already so your set.
If you do however need proof a 924T can be modified, look at the GT carrera that seems to always be in front of a pack of 911s on a turny course.
Don't see a 944 carrera.
The otehr thing is steering. If you like heavy steering and have muscles to enjoy the parking lots, the non power assisted 924 gives a much more go kart handling feel, since you don't get that fake easiness and unresponsiveness that you do with the 944.
You also get better mileage, really sweet mileage in the 924.
I popped the clutch in at 50MPH in my 924 and the car just kept going and going, and the specs say better mileage.




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1982-83 944s don't have power steering.

My wheels/tires are wider and thus my steering effort is even greater than a 924.

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