928 vs 951

[Goku]

I was just wondering the differnces? Is the 928 better just more expencive? There is a 928 around where I live. It is black and defiled with a bunch of mettalica stickers and crap! YES BUMPER STICKERS on a Porsche..I want to hurt him =P. Just wondering how the two cars compare.

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Goku Super Sayian MCSE
88' 951
2k VW Golf 1.8L TURBO
Reluctantly crouched at the starting line...

[Blackfoot]

better? that depends on what your definition of "better" is. one is a sports car, the other is a grand touring car. one is lighter, one has a better ride. one is more suited as a daily driver, one is more suited as a track car. but both car be driven daily comfortably and both can excel at the track.

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[Goku]

Come on guys. No one has a good comparision of the 928 vs 951. I don't wanna know "who will win the race" I want to know the difference. Prices, performance, handling...etc. I know the 928 has a V-8 or whatever...but compare pls. I'm interested.

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Goku Super Sayian MCSE
88' 951
2k VW Golf 1.8L TURBO
Reluctantly crouched at the starting line...

[AMCPorsche924Powerhaus!]

The first thing you have to consider is this: the tranny in the 928.

Are you willing to buy/drive an automatic?
What year are you interested in?
Old ones had 3 speed autos, and not many out there are manual trannies, since people bought this as a lux GT car.
However there are some manuals around, but the problem is chatter i hear from reviews several places, and that they burn out clutches quick with all the torque in the 928.
The clutch isn't as bad in 83 or 85, I can't remember when. And also if you are interested in Auto tranny they went to a four speed auto later on in 83 or something.
Mileage: not gonna get good mileage compared to a four banger.
Handling: you've got your 50/50, but I have heard that the heavier 928 doesn't like high speed quick turns as much as a 924, meaning that it doesn't handle as well that way.
It is more comfortable though at higher speeds.
Also there is a huge difference in the engines used in the 928. The 32 valve one is much more powerful.
The engine is harder to work on, not from my own experience but just by looking at the tiny engine compartment and the thinner hood, and the fact that it is a v-8 in a small area. They are much more expensive to maintain if you are a used part type of guy, since not as many 928s exist. And also new parts are more expensive. They also had chains later on instead of timing belt, so actually less money to maintain beltwise if you get the later engine with chain.

You can watch the movie "Risky Business" and I think you will want a 928 though, I would if I had money.


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[Blackfoot]

don't be as lazy as me, do some research. check the archives here, do online searches. it's so easy finding info on the web.

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[AMCPorsche924Powerhaus!]

ha ha you took "arse" out

[jwn]

I believe the title of fastest woman in the world is currently held by the Devek family in their 928 (208mph).

The last time they posted about one of their events they said they were the only ones there who drove the car to the track, raced it and drove it home.

Course the Devek family I believe makes their living selling performance mod's for 928's...

[lordgrommit]

928 is a great car is was supreamly built and I belive it was the most expensive porsche normaly avail for many years.
Comparison. the 928 was made from 1978 till 1995 . I would say the best comparison is between a say a 87s4 and a 951 in speed the 951 will be quicker but the 928 will ride in comfort for the whole day with mozart on the radio and the AC on.

Matinence is about the same both suffer from the water pump timing belt problems.Though I have seen posts from owners who have 200k + on both and going strong. I would say the parts and the price would be in the same ballpark.. The big problem with 928's is tracking down all the elect problems they are rampant a normal fix is to replace the whole fuse panel if any moisture has gotten into it. Both could be in the same price ballpark used 5K -13k depending.. I was looking for a 928 when I bought my 944

Matt

[Timm]

I was originally "shark hunting" when I found my '88 924S. I did so much research on the 928 that I filled up a manilla folder. When I found my 924, I did more research. As stated above, the problems are very much the same. The t-belt, water pump, pulleys & rollers, etc.... The 928 is a larger, more powerful, more luxurious touring car. It is not a "sports car." It was plagued with problems with the electrical system until '85.5. The automatic tranny was a solidly built Mercedes tranny. The manual burned up clutches. Yes, a the time of production, it was the most expensive Porsche built, and the most luxurious.
The 924/944 series was designed to be an "affordable" sports car. It handles better and gets better gas mileage. Even though the mechanical issues are mostly the same, the 924/944 series is cheaper to fix, either by yourself or at the mechanic. The 924/944 rides stiffer, but it's supposed to, it's not a tourer.
So, there's some more information. Like I stated earlier, when shopping for my first Porsche, I wanted a 928 bad.... Really bad. But, I opted for the 924 and I don't regret it. My next purchase will probably be a 951 or 968.




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[Rollins]

There are obvious differences and more subtle ones. Obviously the older the car and the higher the mileage the more unreliable it might be. In general they are less reliable than a 944 (My mechanic always has two or three of them at his place in for one thing or another not just old ones either, the majority are newer like from the 1990's). Common sense would dictate that they would cost more to maintain as well since the engine is literally twice the size of a 944's. The automatic tranny is a downside, but like others have said before, the 928 was not a sports car as much as it was a luxury car. All in all they are decent cars which if taken care of should be reliable enough, but will always have a higher price in maintence. The more parts under the hood the more it will cost to maintain.
-Tim

[951carter]

depends on what you like. i would suggest driving both. in my opinion the 928 is a tank. if comparing to a 951 i would not even consider a 16v 928. the 928s are very expensive to maintain, but 951s can be also. welcome to the porsche world. in my opinion a modified 951 is one of the best cars available, on any budget. the 928 is much like a c4 corvette from a driving standpoint.

[diverdan]

Gotta 951 and an S4 in my driveway.
I drive the 928 every day, the 951 sits. Yeah, its lighter, but dang, the 928 is just so much better put together. I've got 3 928 manual cars. Autos just aren't entertaining enougth. The 928 is a bit fat, but the comparison to the C4 Vette isn't even close. I couldn't wait to get rid of the C4. It was very capable, but it wasn't any near the quality of the 928. I've had just about all the exotics and the 928 is as good as it gets, with exception of the plastic door panel material and dash. But the plastic that is used serves so much better than the leather that it replaced, so I don't object. If I didn't have so dang many cars, I'd buy a 928 GT that a friend of mine wants to dump for about $5k and reduce its weight by trashing all the sun rotted interior and put in plastic windows and see just how it would compare to the 951. Luxury gone, but it should scream!

Dan

Dan

[AMCPorsche924Powerhaus!]

how is the 928 for working on the engine?
The hood looks very narrow, and considering it is a huge v-8 in such a small place.......

[diverdan]

AMC........

Don't need to......other than water pump and timing belt and that is a piece of cake.

Oh yeah. The 4 cammers are more of a #$% than the 2 cammers.

Dan

[AMCPorsche924Powerhaus!]

Yeah i thought of that, but the four cammers don't have belts right? Chains?

And what about people that do have problems with 928s! Are there any of you out there!

I saw some sweet deals on 928s around here, and they were manual trannies.
And have you ever had an old 928 or just the S4?
Maybe S4 is a lot more reliable engine components??

[Blackfoot]

diverdan, what year was your c4? in what ways were you dissatisfied with it?

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[AMCPorsche924Powerhaus!]

i bet it burnt holes in the cylinders like i said before

[diverdan]

Blackfoot:

That's S4. Its been a great car, however the factory srewed up on the valve guide seal design and the seals tend to float. Requires putting a groove on the outside of the guide so the seals have something to bite into so they won't float.

The 928 is a heavy girl. If your driving is in city traffic which involves lots of stop and start and speeds under 50 mph, you will not love her with the 5 speed. I experienced this with my 80 928 in the San Fernando Valley in the Northridge area. Hated it on the Valley floor. However, running errands in Semi Valley was a real pleasure. There's not much better car for cross country hauls, but from a dead stop, uh uh. The 89 is much better, but not my idea of a city surface street car with the 5 speed.

Dan

[Blackfoot]

thanks for the info dan. always like hearing about the 928, one of the cars i've wanted for a while.

i was actually referring to the c4 you mentioned in your post on 3/1. you said it was capable but you couldn't wait to get rid of it. interested in your perspective in comparing the c4 to the s4.

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[AMCPorsche924Powerhaus!]

with all that torque and weight i bet you burn out the clutch in the city pretty fast right....anyway so Dan what about clutch chatter...i hear bad stuff about early 928s (pre83??) for clutch chatter. Is it that bad and is it just 1st gear or all gears?
I also thought that maybe you only had an S4 and no other 928s so the 80 is ok for reliabilty too? no silly things other than timing belt and water pump and electrics?