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89 944
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new tires+clutch, belts and waterpump replaced a year ago

it also has a little dent on the left 1/4 and the stiching on passanger side seat is coming off, like 3 inches has come off adn thats all
$7900

what do u guys think?

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Andre, i would highly advise you to at least drive a turbo car before you buy anything. even if power is not your thing it is a totally different breed of animal. where are you located?
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i'm near boston MA, i would love a turbo, its a dream of mine. The thing is that i am tight on money and i'd rather buy a 944na in good condition than buy a turbo thats high miles and "not so great" condition.
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i would not let mileage deter you from a turbo if it has been properly maintained. a friend of mine has one with 230,000 miles and it still runs great. the engine has never even been opened!! original headgasket,turbo,wastegate.....everything! the car still runs great but was totaled in an accident. if you go to the "crash" topic the car in the picture i posted is the one i speak of. the price of the turbo cars is going to do nothing but go up from here so it is a great time to get one. we are buying up all of them that we can find.i just try to sway people towards the turbos because i too started with an n/a 944 but once i got the turbo bug it is unshakeable.there are few things in the world as sweet as hearing that blower sucking.
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Originally posted by 951carter:
a friend of mine has one with 230,000 miles original headgasket,turbo,wastegate.....everything!
The Turbo seals never been change even at 230,000 miles? I can't believe that. But maybe if he is using Syntec Mobil 1 oil on every change. I don't know.

Andre, 944 Turbos are the best! But I know that there is the Turbo seals, Turbo brakes, etc. Turbos parts cost more too! Did you know there is even a electric water pump that goes on when the car is off? It's for the Turbo so the oil don't get baked or something like that. If that pump goes than you will have a clog Turbo. Oil can't flow right and the Turbo seals wear faster. Anyways, If you want a fast NA 944 you have to get the 1989 944 S2

Here's some spec. on the 89 944 S2

DISPLACEMENT: 2990cc Now thats the largest 944 engine ever made. 3000cc is a V6 size.
POWER: 211.0 bhp @ 5800 rpm Damn! 944 turbo is 217 hp. thats almost a turbo power!!
TORQUE: 206.0 ft lbs @ 4100
1/4 Mile Time: 14.8 seconds Damn! 944 Turbo goes 14.2 seconds in a 1/4 mile.
0-60 mph in 6.4 seconds!
0-100 mph in 17.0 seconds

Here's site on the 944 S2 spec. http://www.supercars.net/SDBQ?i=1167

1989 944 S2 Turbo look with out the Turbo headache!


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Andre:
Sounds like a good buy. I would get it checked out by a good mechanic first.
According to the April, 2001 issue of Excellence, here's the price range for an '89 2.7 944:
$5362.00 - $6096.00 - $8161.00
so your price sounds about right.
If you're not going to purchase the car, let me know: I may be interested. ( I live in NJ)

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come on, Ahmet - let it out.
(or I will for you)

S2 costs less to maintain than a turbo, eh?
1986-87 was the only model of the turbo, huh?

partial picture we're getting here?

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and don't forget the advantage of no turbo lag...The s2 is a very nice car but so is the turbo...

mmmmm..s2...mmmmm
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The Turbo seals never been change even at 230,000 miles? I can't believe that.
is carter not telling the truth? doesn't erick (wolfrpi) have 200+k on his 951? or maybe some cannot comprehend the reliability of the turbo 944, so they dismiss it.

i've had two 944 turbos, and have yet to replace anything that is specific only to the 951.

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POWER: 211.0 bhp @ 5800 rpm Damn! 944 turbo is 217 hp. thats almost a turbo power!!
stock it seems close. but where the turbo specs show it's acceleration is in the torque--243 ft lbs. stock to stock, far superior to the s2. but no 951 owner leaves it stock...

which brings me to upgradeability. well, there is with the 951. with the s2, well, you'll pretty much have to live with what you got. oh yeah, you can do headers, exhaust, even cam gearing to get meager hp gains. and that's mostly at the top end, like 7000 rpm (ever driven an integra?). and be prepared to shell out big bucks to hans and franz. my $400 weltmeister chips gave me an extra 40+ hp and 50+ tq. and i have yet begun to modify my puppy.

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Turbo look with out the Turbo headache!
where's the headache? i don't have one. you can have headaches on any car, and the ones i've read about recently here on pelican are not turbo-related. yup, it looks like a turbo, but when that prelude thinks you're a fast car & pulls alongside you and wants to run, you better back off, lest you be humiliated!

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Andre, 944 Turbos are the best!
first thing i've read that made sense! andre, follow carter's advice and drive a 951 or two. then try the s2.

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my $400 weltmeister chips gave me an extra 40+ hp and 50+ tq.
Weltmeister make 40+ hp chips for 944 turbo? I seen Weltmeister make 15 hp chips for 944 turbo. I would like to see a link to that chip. Thats a lot of hp.

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stock it seems close. but where the turbo specs show it's acceleration is in the torque--243 ft lbs. stock to stock
Stock 944 S2 torque is 206 and the Stock 944 Turbo is 243. The Turbo has 37 more torque only. I don't think you can feel that much differences.

BlackFoot, have you put a KKK 27 Turbo in yet? I seen a site that a guy made his 944 Turbo have a 360 HP!! Kick ass Turbo!!

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15hp for non-turbo, I think.
40hp gain seems pretty standard among aftermarket chips for 951...
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Ditto.

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http://www.***************/am/page_listings10.asp?c=21500&p=30520
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Ditto.

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WOW!! There is a 57 hp chip! Thanks


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haha u guys are crazy.....you are not getting it.

i dont want a turbo, nor an s2, great cars ofcourse....but i do want a 944na, for now....i think i will buy this car, it seems in good shape and because the clutch and tires were changed only 3 months ago i trust there are no MAJOR problems with the engine because i would assume a machanic would notice that.
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by the way that 944S2 up there......the splitters on a 944 turbo nose make the car look amazing.....well worth it, defenetly one of the first things i'd get if i had a turbo
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After knowing what you can buy a turbo for, I'm not sure I'd buy an NA again, although they are great cars. Its just that the turbo is pretty damn inexpensive for the performance. The potential with modifications is incredible. A stock S2 may put down 180 to the wheels if everything is perfect. Guys with 951s regularly pull over 300 hp to the wheels (I pulled 283hp) with reliable tricked out examples. I'm hoping to get 350 to the wheels (about 400 flywheel) after I install the clutch and up the boost a little more. BTW I have 212k with stock now on my 86 951 (given it has many mods).

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Originally posted by 951carter:
a friend of mine has one with 230,000 miles original
headgasket,turbo,wastegate.....everything!
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no the turbo has never been off of the car. the clutch has been changed a couple of times but that is about it. the car is still running if you want to come check it out. i posted a picture of it in the "crash" thread. and no, the car did not use synthetic oil. it also still makes great oil pressure! it was used for 80 mile a day commuting 1/2 country roads 1/2 highway. these cars will LAST if they are cared for properly and not abused. there is a big difference between USING and ABUSING a car.
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Andre- Go ahead and drive the S2, then drive the 951 (any model). If you don't feel the difference, just check the vendors for parts upgrades and availability. That should change your mind in a hurry. I drive mine at least 100 miles per day, and love every foot of the trip now.

For you guys using chips- Autoauthority or Weltmeister? I'd like real world opinions.

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I am defenetly not getting a turbo right now. This is my first car and i am shaky about getting the 944na. Plus i want to drive the n/a for 2 or 3 years and then make it a project car and maybe put the renegade hybrids chevy conversion in it, or perhaps a modified 951 engine.

I know you guys are going to say...it'll be a lot less expensive just to buy a stock 951 right now an modify it as i go but first of all that isn't as much fun and second right now i want a "sporty" car, not a "Sports" car, i dont know much about the machanics or the car and i want to learn, i think the best thing right is to buy a 944na in pretty good shape so that it will last, and then when i get a little older and more experienced get a 951

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