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I found this dealer who has a early '85 944 for sale. He said he had driven it to the auction to have it actioned off. The next day, they called him and said it wouldn't start. He towed it back to his place and replaced coil. It will only crank, but not start. Should I buy this? He's asking $1500 for it. I've not seen this car, I'm going to tomorrow. If the exterior looks nice and I don't find any leaks, should I take it? Or is it just gonna be a money pit?

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Somebody at the auction probably jump started it wrong and fried the DME. For 1500 though seems high unless it spotless but just not running. I bought mine dead for $800 and it was 85.5. Maybe he will bargain with you.
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before you think of a spiked DME, consider just replacing the DME relay. (dont let him know it may be an easy fix, the price will go up... let him think its a dead whatever) A clue to the dead relay is that the car will crank over but not start. Yes, the posibility of damage from a poor jump start still exists.

I'd bring no more than $1000. to the table. (start at about 5 or 6 and stand your ground. It sounds like he just wants to get rid of the car so help him... be prepared to walk away and certinly let him know that this is not the only 944 in the world) The car was going to be sold at a cut rate anyway...if it's an early car, and you want a dead car with the possbile m-pit problems, go for it... you never know, it could be a clean car and a super easy fix... you win
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Make sure to do a compression test before buying it. The last guy I talked to who purchased a car in this condition had it turn out to be a broken timing belt and bent valves.

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Yes! Do a compression test first! Then if it's not the timing belt, go for it!!

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Can you do one if the car won't start?
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yes, as long as it cranks (fast enough) you can measure compression.

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So I have to tow it to a shop to have compression tested? Is there like a portable tool I can rent so I can do it right there?
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All you need is a compression gauge. They are not that much
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so what's good compression? And how do I know if the timing belt has broken before, causing piston slap and such? Remember, this car won't start...
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i'm guessing 150-160 would be good numbers. you can run a search here to find other discussions on 944 compression numbers. if the valves are bent due to a broken timing belt, you won't get compression.

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Can you do one if the car won't start?
Yes! When taking a compression test, you must make sure that the engine will not start. Just incase, Pull out the Coil wire that goes to the distributor. If timing belt broke, you will have a compression of 0 lbs in the damage cylinders because of bent vales.

This is how a compression tester looks.


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I'm guessing that the plug for the gauge goes into the spark plug hole. So do I need to bring a socket to remove the plugs?
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Yes, you have to remove the spark plug, screw the tester in, crank over the engine, read and right down cylinder# and results. go to the next one do the same till your done.

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Don't want to sound facetious, but why don't you also bring a mechanical minded friend to help you evaluate the car. You can check cooling, brake, suspension systems without the car running. Anything else gang? Welcome and aloha, Neal
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by CrazySOB:

One other thing if the battery is good you should crank it for 6 compression strokes per cylinder also remove all the plugs B4 you start the test and ground the coil wire hope you get some pressure......stan
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88_944:

do NOT take the secondary igniton wire out of the coil (going into the distributor), that'll damage your coil/ignition system. Disconnect the lead INTO the coil, and ground it.

I believe you can find directions in the Haynes, and factory manuals if you need that.
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what size socket do I need to bring to remove the spark plug?
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wrong track.

Don't compression test, do a LEAK DOWN.

you will need a portable air tank and a leak-down tester. (you can probably rent both)

THIS will tell you not only if the engine isn't holding compression, but also WHERE the damage is (intake valves, or exhaust valves, or rings) and on which cylinder.

If your leak down is good, or its just a bent valve situation, and the car is in really good shape, it is probably worth a grand or so. Keep in mind that you will have no idea of the condition of clutch/transmission/brake system.

Be sure to cheak all the electricals you can as well.

Good Luck.
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This sounds like a good canidate for a renegade hybrid!...if your into that sort of thing.

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