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am I getting screwed?

Well, I took my "new" 944 ('88) in for a timing belt etc. and I knew it was going to be a spendy job... I budgeted about 1200 for the deal so if any incidentals came up I'd be able to cover them. Well now the guy at the shop is saying that parts alone will be $700 and that I will be looking at a $2K bill before I leave! This doesn't seem right to me... am I missing something? Or is that a reasonable price and he just lowballed the estimate when I originally talked to him?

This hurts, just having bought the car and not having sold my new VW yet...

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Old 02-17-2004, 03:54 AM
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Thats waaaayyyyyy too high! The cost of the parts should be a third of that. Is this guy a regular garage mechanic or a porsche mech.??
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this is a foreign specialty shop in Annapolis, they mostly do VWs but also do work on other European stuff. I was gonna take it to the guy at the gas station down the street but the little voice in the back of my head told me that I should spend a little more $$$ and take it to someone who works on these things more regularly. Now I'm wondering if I made the right decision.

They have always done good work for a reasonable price for me in the past, and are the only shop I would trust my GF's Corrado G60 to since Volkswerks apparently has "issues" with people in the Corrado club...

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That is verrrrrry High!

$700 in parts. I don't think so

Do a search here on everything. Belts,rollers,waterpump, front seal kit, Oil Cooler seals will not add up to $700.

To perform the same does not take rocket science. Any competent wrench will do. Just follow the steps in order paying attention to balance shaft marks and belt tension. Do not forget when replacing the belts re-tensioning is required @ 1500 miles.

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I take it this was the belts, pulleys, front seals and the water pump?

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Water Pump Rebuilt $140
(includes gasket and new thermostat - $100 core charge)

Timing Belt $14
T-Belt Tension Pulley $30

Balance Belt $33
B-Belt Tension Pulley $23

Reseal Kit - $75

AC/Alt Belt $9
PS Belt $5
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$429

About six hours labor @ 75 /hr = $450

So it's possible to see an engine front rebuild to cost from $900 to $1200 depending on what the repair shop uses for parts mark up and hourly.

This is why you see most of us doing this ourselves.
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Id shop around, get a better price, even the dealer wouldnt charge anywhere near that, but id stay away from the local mechanic with no Pcar experience.
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Yep, you're getting raped.

Go elsewhere. Fast.
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Definitely way too high.
If you're handy around a wrench, this job isn't out of the realm of the average weekend mechanic. And it will probably take you just that, a weekend. In addition to the parts, you'll need to pick up some specialized tools in addition to standard metric sockets and such, but I doubt they'll cost you more than another $100 all said.
In other words, with a bit of "can do" attitude and a weekend, you can buy all of your parts and all of the tools you need (everything, sockets and all) and come out about $1400 ahead of the shop estimate you just got. Not bad for a weekend of work!
Serriously, I just changed all of the front seals, installed a new water pump, a new thermoswitch and retensioned my belts this weekend and it took me maybe 8 hours, and I'm a total moron. If you can change your oil you can do this. Check out the "garage manual" section of Clark's garage for simple, step by step instructions complete with a list of the things you'll need.Clark's garage
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tell the guy that you shopped around, and one of his main competetors agreed to charge you $1100 for parts and labor. That will change his tune really fast...
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tell the guy that you shopped around, and one of his main competetors agreed to charge you $1100 for parts and labor. That will change his tune really fast...

Would you want him to work on the car after that?

Sounds like he didn't want to work on it in the first place.
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I still don't know what to think after reading this thread... looking at the list the guy posted for parts that may be in the realm of possibility if he's including the two motor mounts that he told me it needed... I agree that I could probably do it myself (look at my web site if you wanna see some of my "other" projects) but the deal is that I'm putting in 70 hour weeks at work right now and don't have time to work on the projects I already have, much less a new daily driver. (note the stuff for sale that I'm never going to get to.) I guess I should call him back later today and see if that figger included the motor mounts or not.

I'm assuming the labor to replace the motor mounts isn't affected at all by the fact that he's doing the belts and water pump at the same time?

nate

(on salary, so the 70 hour weeks mean squat... grr.)
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Ooooh!
Motor mounts, if they're OEM, are like $120 a piece and are definitely the same amount of time to install regardless of the belts since they're in a totally different spot.
So your parts just jumped from $429 as described by socal to more like $670.
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I would also point out that the motor mounts are not totally essential (you can put them off for a couple of weeks) and are easy as pie to do yourself.
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You might also consider that many shops charge a 100% markup as a base on parts.
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The plot thickens!
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Pry the Porsche crest off the hood and tell him it's a Volkswagon!

but seriously, I called two Porsche DEALERSHIPS and they quoted me $800-$1200 even the snooty 911 shop near me quoted $1800. At least if your going to spend that kind of money I would take the car to a Porsche specialist that works on water pumpers.
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Next time you go to a shop try dressing in really dirty or old clothes and use an old sock as a battery tie down.
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had all that done for about 875.00 with tax...plus front bearing seals.....if you don't see a porsche in the garage....don't play there..
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I'm with the DIY crowd. With some specialized tools, new turbo waterpump and a couple new rollers I spent less than $600. Took 3 days in 2 hour sessions. All info is available. I used lots os ziplocks & post-it notes.

Besides the $$$ I didn't want to drive around wondering if someone else did it right.

that said, porsche independent shop here quoted 8 hours for pump & belts

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You got three options:

1) Buy the parts, spend 2 days (~10-12 hrs) and do it yourself and save a load of money.

2) Print out price sheets from tweeks and PAP of all the parts he quoted you to replace and tell him he's ripping you off and insist for a much lower cost.

or:

3) Take the car to a local specialist who won't rape you on parts and labor because it's not a "usual" car to work on.

I'm guessing he quoted you very (steeply) high because he doesn't have the parts (he'd have to order and have them shipped), he doesn't have the manuals, nor does he have the special tools to do the job. And i most certaintly bet you he doesn't want to spend the extra time to learn how to do something he's only going to do once. Those usually inspire a mechanic to charge more...
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