Speed.

Zlatko · 05-13-2004, 01:05 AM

Heya. Ok, what i want from this thread is just some simple numbers as to how a tuned 944 Turbo, which puts down roughly 350 rwhp does.

I want numbers such as 0-60, Quartermile(i know they arent designed for it, but please) and also..just other things like top speed and stuff like that.

Please keep the thread civil, im trying my best here

bennydean · 05-13-2004, 03:47 AM

I can't answer these questions myself, but I'm definitely interested in the effects that power, torque and weight have on acceleration in a 944, whether that be from a standing or rolling start (in-gear).

I would love to get a better idea of the performance of a 944 N/A with all the extra torque and HP of a 968 3.0L. It would also be interesting to compare the performance of a "hybrid" like this with that of a factory 951.

Naturally such curiosity will offend somebody...

Lawrence Coppari · 05-13-2004, 04:35 AM

Never did the 0-60 or the 1/4 mile but mine accelerates from 70 - 100 with 225/60/16 tires in less than 4.25 seconds in third gear at 50 F. With 225/50/16 tires, the time is in the 3's. But those tires don't give correct speed. I don't do 0-60 because I don't want to buy a new transmission.

Mine, according to the manufacturer of the go fast parts, is putting out about 325 at rear. It weighs 3163 with me in it and a full tank of fuel.

gearhead290 · 05-13-2004, 02:03 PM

It would go BOOM! No 0-60, no quarter mile, just BOOM. Gotta remember, the tranny can't take a beating stock, and with an extra 100+ hp they sure as hell won't take any kind of abuse!

NOW, if somebody built a bullit-proof tranny or knew how to I think a 944 turbo would be pink fuzzy jacket pimp status and I would definately be searching for one (as long as I could re-locate the e-brake to the center counsil

awilson40 · 05-13-2004, 06:20 PM

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Originally posted by gearhead290
Gotta remember, the tranny can't take a beating stock, and with an extra 100+ hp they sure as hell won't take any kind of abuse!

And where did you get that info from???
A lot of us are putting out significantly more HP and TQ than stock with no trans problems. I have heard of a few axles or CV joints break, but no trans.
Mine will do 0-60 in 5.2 with little strain.

ae1969 · 05-13-2004, 06:24 PM

The turbo tranny can actually take a lot of punishment. ( BUT NOT AS MUCH AS SOME DOMESTIC ONES)

Rages Turbo ran 12.7 at 117 mph

Traction becomes a major issue as well. You can get some serious wheel hop as well.......

http://www.virgeweb.com/rage2/944t/2002-09%20951-12.7@117.wmv

MrPants · 05-13-2004, 08:36 PM

yea remember gearhead, the 951's got the good trannys

Wolf1 · 05-13-2004, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zlatko

I want numbers such as 0-60, Quartermile(i know they arent designed for it, but please) and also..just other things like top speed and stuff like that.

0-60 and 1/4 mile times will be slower than expected. However, 1/4 mile speed will be high.

11 and 12 second 1/4's require a brutal launch, unless you have the power to run very high mph.

Top speed will most likely be rpm limited, how fast it will go will depend on how high you want to wind it.

Zlatko · 05-13-2004, 10:05 PM

Thanks for your help guys

ae1969: Thanks for the Video man

gearhead290: You said 100+ horses? I said 350 Rear Wheel Horsepower. The 951 standard model makes about 220 at the crank.

adida(r 944) · 05-13-2004, 10:48 PM

i dont know about specific times but i can tell you its quick

and street/drag racing is fun DANGEROUS AND HARD ON YOUR CAR

back in the day (bout 2.5 years ago running 85/1 N/A 944) counting in my head seconds (counting 1 Mississippi 2..etc.) i came about 6.5 to 7's on 0-60 and bout 11-13 seconds 0-100 depending on how fast i said Mississippi, BUT keep in mind i replaced a trany and reacently doing a motor swap soo um be kind to your Porsche and it will be kind to your wallet and time

i did read/watch some where (car and driver or some other magazine, maybe TV) that the 944 VS 911 on 1/4 mile, cant remember on year's or if turbo's, did a couple of seconds slower on 0-60 and 0-100 dont quote me on this matter my memery is slipping.

doesnt the owners manual state this somewhere? Looking.... AH yes mine does...under Performance* on 1985/1 NA 944 says...

max speed 130MPH (i think its higher, speedo showing 140 after 5 or 6 miles

)

acceleration 0-60 MPH 8.3 seconds on Manual and 9.8 seconds on auto

time at end 1/4 mile* 16.2 seconds MT** and 17.2 seconds AUTO

time at end 1 KM* 30.1 seconds MT** and 31.4 seconds AUTO

* at curb weight and half-load capacity, excluding optional equipment and accessories
** manual tranny

um check your owners manual maybe pretty close to what you think it is. as for hybrids i have no clue.
just my 1/3 of a cent

URIN 2ND · 05-14-2004, 10:06 AM

I can answer this one. I have a similar car set up in my CarTest2000 program.

I have one set up at the stock weight with stock suspension and gears, 316hp/362tq.

0-60 4.67 secs
0-100 11.92 secs
1/4 13.31 @ 105.59mph
Top speed 163mph

gearhead290 · 05-14-2004, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zlatko
gearhead290: You said 100+ horses? I said 350 Rear Wheel Horsepower. The 951 standard model makes about 220 at the crank.

If you reread what I said it was an extra 100+ hp.

awilson-I know the trannies suck from personal experience, I'm on my third and the diff is clunking (and only one was from dumping the clutch).

And how much abuse can the 951 tranny really take? I HIGHLY doubt it could take extended abuse and I'm almost 100% sure it wouldn't hold up to drifting (clutch kicks and shift locks are really abusive to R&P).

Zlatko · 05-14-2004, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gearhead290
If you reread what I said it was an extra 100+ hp.

awilson-I know the trannies suck from personal experience, I'm on my third and the diff is clunking (and only one was from dumping the clutch).

And how much abuse can the 951 tranny really take? I HIGHLY doubt it could take extended abuse and I'm almost 100% sure it wouldn't hold up to drifting (clutch kicks and shift locks are really abusive to R&P).

And my comment STILL stands.

You said 100 extra horsepower. We were discussing wheel horsepower, 350RWHP to be precise. You said 100 extra horses. now, as i said..the average turbo puts out 220 at the crank, so your 100 extra horsepower now makes it 320, again, at the crank.

So at the wheels it would probably be doing close to 250-260, where as i was talking about a car that does 350 at the wheels.

Zlatko · 05-14-2004, 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by URIN 2ND
I can answer this one. I have a similar car set up in my CarTest2000 program.

I have one set up at the stock weight with stock suspension and gears, 316hp/362tq.

0-60 4.67 secs
0-100 11.92 secs
1/4 13.31 @ 105.59mph
Top speed 163mph

URIN 2nd: What do you have done to your car?

Details please :P

ae1969 · 05-14-2004, 06:14 PM

From those numbers he should be running a K27/6 at 18 psi.

On second thought.....that torque value is a little out there?

You have a dyno sheet? Something doesnt look right...

SlowToady · 05-14-2004, 07:49 PM

He doesn't actually HAVE the car, from the way I read it, but he set it up in a computer simulation program.

Zlatko, weren't you going to put a TT Supra engine in? What ever happened to that? :-P

gearhead290 · 05-14-2004, 07:54 PM

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Originally posted by Zlatko
And my comment STILL stands.

You said 100 extra horsepower. We were discussing wheel horsepower, 350RWHP to be precise. You said 100 extra horses. now, as i said..the average turbo puts out 220 at the crank, so your 100 extra horsepower now makes it 320, again, at the crank.

So at the wheels it would probably be doing close to 250-260, where as i was talking about a car that does 350 at the wheels.

Who cares, you just frusterate me. Quit being so damn nitpicky, you're like a friggen woman. What if one of the people replying makes 353 RWHP, are you going to throw a fit b/c it's off 3 RWHP?

I suppose next you're going to count all the chocolate chips on your cookie and then complain to keebler that it's missing one.

Zlatko · 05-15-2004, 12:46 AM

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Originally posted by SlowToady
He doesn't actually HAVE the car, from the way I read it, but he set it up in a computer simulation program.

Zlatko, weren't you going to put a TT Supra engine in? What ever happened to that? :-P

You have me mistaken with another member on this board..and that guy is putting in a 1jz..not a 2jz.

Either way..i dont know what im doing to my car, as im still looking at solutions.

1) I want reliability - 2jz has it
2) Power - 2jz has it
3) Aftermarket - 2jz has it
4) Keep it all porsche - 2jz does not have it

MrPants · 05-15-2004, 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gearhead290
And how much abuse can the 951 tranny really take? I HIGHLY doubt it could take extended abuse and I'm almost 100% sure it wouldn't hold up to drifting (clutch kicks and shift locks are really abusive to R&P).

Have you ever replaced it with an LSD n/a tranny?

awilson40 · 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gearhead290

And how much abuse can the 951 tranny really take? I HIGHLY doubt it could take extended abuse and I'm almost 100% sure it wouldn't hold up to drifting (clutch kicks and shift locks are really abusive to R&P).

Dude...its not a drifting car !!!! Its a road race car. Ya gotta remember...the right tool for the job. The turbo tranny will hold up well at high HP and TQ in a road race situation. Not on a drag strip or drifting.
Get a 240 sx for a drifter and a (ech)Mustang for a drag

Let the Porsche do the job it was designed for.