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Porsche Crest 911 fuchs on early 944

I have heard that some fuchs off of 911's will fit my 1984 944.
Any one know if or what year 911 16" fuchs will fit my car?

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Not sure, but some of the early 944s came with them as well as the 86 turbo.
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Pratically all of the Fuchs on 911 that has the early offset. If you want 16s, they were on 911SCs and 911 Carrera, circa 1978 to 1989.

There were 2 type of Fuchs on 944 :
- 1983 to 1984 has standard 7 x 15 Fuchs with early offset 23mm
- 1986 Turbos has 7 and 8 x 16s Fuchs, with a small different offset - thought they will fit your 944 - to accomodate bigger brakes used on Turbos.

16s are pretty wasy to find. Expect to pay around 500US$ for a set of 6 and 7 x 16s.
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I have the brochure for my 83, and 16s were an option on 944s.
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Okay so fair to say I'm looking for 16" fuchs with 23mm offset right?
I ask because I though there was a diffence between the 911 fuchs and the 944's. Obviously if they made one's that fit the 911 there were a lot of them made and thus I'm not dreaming when I hope on finding a set.

I think my cookie cutters are 7" all around, if that is the case I would not want to go to a 6" wheel.

Thanks Uconn and farleyd
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All Fuchs are early offset.

they are all interchangable between 911s and 944s.
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Okay a few more questions please:

I thought there is a different offset for the early (1983-1984) 944 Vs later 944 yes/no?

Is the 23mm offset on my 1984 the same front/back?

Is there a part number stamped on the fuch that indicates offset and width? If so where is it?

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944 from 1983 to 1986 have early offset - 23mm
944 1987 and later have late offset - 52-53 mm (dont remember exactly)
Offset is same front and back.
Along part number 944... or 911.. there is also a number indicating the offset. Youll see clearly 23 or 52-53

You shoulf really check for a set of Phone Dials 7 and 8 x 16s from the 944 Turbo. They look great on a 944, fill the fenders very well.
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Your only concern should be the fact that 6" fuchs dont fill the wells enough (at least to my liking). And you cant put 911 9" fuchs in the rear...even though they have the early 23mm offset.

A 911 set of 7's and 8's would be ideal; however, very costly.
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You sure can put the 911 16x9" Fuchs in the rear. They happen to be 10.5mm offset, so you just remove the rear spacer.

All 944NA cars can use ANY 911 Fuchs wheel. The 951 can only use the 16x9" rear due to the larger calipers rubbing the spokes with the 911's 16x7 & 8" Fuchs. That's why the 951 came with their own Fuchs with 951 part numbers. The spokes on these wheels were a little further outwards.
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You sure can put the 911 16x9" Fuchs in the rear. They happen to be 10.5mm offset, so you just remove the rear spacer.

All 944NA cars can use ANY 911 Fuchs wheel. The 951 can only use the 16x9" rear due to the larger calipers rubbing the spokes with the 911's 16x7 & 8" Fuchs. That's why the 951 came with their own Fuchs with 951 part numbers. The spokes on these wheels were a little further outwards.
You can put them on, but theyll stick out far out of the wheel well. That is not my definition of "being able to use."
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Here are my 16x7s from my 83 944 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7929230203&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT
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Im surprised no ones bidding on your wheels. 4 16x7's for 400 is an insanely good deal!
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Are you sure those are 16" wheels? The part number you posted for the wheels is for a 15" wheel. For the rest of you, here is a useful chart for showing the various Fuchs offsets
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"You can put them on, but theyll stick out far out of the wheel well. That is not my definition of "being able to use.""

Have you tried a 16x9" Fuchs wheel on an '86 or earlier car? They fit perfectly! The outer rim-edge is exactly 1" further out than stock, which fills up the fender nicely.

BTW, I've got a 17x11.5" rear with 25mm offset and it certainly doesn't stick out and it's got an additional 1" of rim on the outside over the 16x9" Fuchs (2" more han stock 16x8").
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Danno, I think he missed the part of removing the rear spacer to make them fit fine.

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They happen to be 10.5mm offset, so you just remove the rear spacer.
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"Danno, I think he missed the part of removing the rear spacer to make them fit fine. "

I guess so, it just sounded like he's tried it himself and was so sure that it didn't fit, but I just couldn't understand how they wouldn't fit. Even with the 21mm rear spacer on the '82-85 cars the 16x9" Fuchs would still fit.

Thanks for the chart Kurt! Whoops, I was off by 4mm, I had assumed the 16x9" 911 Fuchs had the saem offset as the 16x8" 911 Fuchs. In which case, the larger offset of 15mm would have them be only 0.75" further outwards than the 16x8" 951 Fuchs or only 1.25" further outwards than a 15x7" stock 944NA wheel.

The strange part is that the '86 944NA and 951 do not have the rear 21 spacer, so with 23.3mm offset wheels front & rear, the rear wheel will be inset by about 1" compared to the front. Makes for a strange look:

Wheels21mmSpacerBeforeAft.jpg


Without the rear spacer, my 16x10.25" 35mm-offset street wheels were too deep in the rear. The left picture shows what the 16x9" Fuchs would look like with the spacer removed. Then adding the spacer would have the outer edge be more flush and match the front better (if a 16x8" front was used).

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Is there a table somewhere that gives the specs for the different p/n's?

For example, what's the difference between a 944.362.104.00 and a 951.362.104.00? And what's a 911.361.023.46?
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CT944 those are what I'm looking for... but I went away for the weekend and missed the action. Oh well shipping them to Cli would have been a pain.

I suppose if I'm going to go through all the trouble of buying new (to me) wheels I would like to go to 7's and 8's in the 16"

Danno those wheel look sweet on your 951!

I do like phone dials and if I found just the right set (7"/8" 16") I would consider them.

Who has a set? In Calif?
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"You can put them on, but theyll stick out far out of the wheel well. That is not my definition of "being able to use.""

Have you tried a 16x9" Fuchs wheel on an '86 or earlier car? They fit perfectly! The outer rim-edge is exactly 1" further out than stock, which fills up the fender nicely.

BTW, I've got a 17x11.5" rear with 25mm offset and it certainly doesn't stick out and it's got an additional 1" of rim on the outside over the 16x9" Fuchs (2" more han stock 16x8").
Sorry, i was measuring from the tire out, not the wheel itself.
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