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Anaxagoras1986 11-12-2004 10:50 AM

944 Back Fire at Startup
 
Does anyone know what could cause this? It is a stock 944 as far as I know. I do know the engine was rebuilt but I dont know how long ago that was. The engine runs perfectly except for when I start it, it usually back fires and grinds the starter badly...

I put 93 gas in it everytime which helps reduce this but it still does it. I tried putting a booster in it and that reduced it even more. A stock 944 NA is supposed to be able to run on normal gas right? What could be causing this?

BTW, I checked the computer with the ignition timing and it is set to stock. I tried slowing it down and it just made it worse.


Thanks for any help!

nynor 11-12-2004 11:29 AM

i'm only guessing here, but it sounds like something to do with the fuel, too lean or too rich, at startup. i think there is something that alters the fuel ratio for starting, either the DME or a valve.

Rmills944 11-12-2004 11:46 AM

have you replaced the AFM at all? That would adjust your mixture wrong if you have a dead one.

944 Ecology 11-12-2004 04:12 PM

This is a known problem, and Porsche put out a tech bulletin on it around 1989 or so.

It seems that the smaller (gear reduction) starter generates a stronger magnetic field when it is cranking, and stray magnetism fools the speed sensor into firing the ignition pulse on the compression stroke. This results in a "thud" and a halt in cranking for a second. The next few times that you attempt to start it, it may be just fine.

The fix is to retrofit the later flywheel sensor bracket and a shield for the speed sensor to stop that.

And, that's the way it is....

gb

early_944 11-12-2004 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 944 Ecology
...stray magnetism fools the speed ...
And, that's the way it is....

gb

that is almost the wierdest problem i've ever heard of. But i know that jeep had a recal one time for late 90's on the routing of the spark plug wires.

I wonder who found out the porsche problem. A magnetic field causing problems with another sensor would be a hard to find nail head. Did someone go through with some sort of eddy-current machine and find the odd magnetic field properties.

Anaxagoras1986 11-15-2004 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 944 Ecology
This is a known problem, and Porsche put out a tech bulletin on it around 1989 or so.

It seems that the smaller (gear reduction) starter generates a stronger magnetic field when it is cranking, and stray magnetism fools the speed sensor into firing the ignition pulse on the compression stroke. This results in a "thud" and a halt in cranking for a second. The next few times that you attempt to start it, it may be just fine.

The fix is to retrofit the later flywheel sensor bracket and a shield for the speed sensor to stop that.

And, that's the way it is....

gb


Wow thats interesting and I agree that it must have been difficult to find that!!!

How difficult is that to change out? It doesnt sound too bad.


Another thing I was wondering is this... When I am crusiign along the highway at about 2900RPM or so and then I give it just a little bit extra throttle to accelerate slowly I notice that the tach twitches a little bit. It twitches about 100-200RPM up...is the engine trying to advance the timing too much and then backing off?


Thanks guys for all of the help!!!!


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