now what about them cayenne's...

well, the Cayenne IS a real Porsche - a mistake, from the purist's point-of-view, but it's still a Porsche.

The Cayenne DRIVER, on the other hand, is usually (you get an exemption if you already had another Porsche before you bought the Cayenne) not a Porschephile.

......so who is sounding elitist now.

These are just opinions guys.......... no need to get all upset about the fact that the turbo is a better car. :D

Agreed. I knew someone would bring that one up. The Cayenne has its role - namely to suck money out of rich SUV-obsessed poseurs and (hopefully) allow Porsche to continue its R&D and racing efforts on its real cars with the money so generated. If a Cayenne owner wants to step up and say "hey, I take offense to that", then they obviously have a little vehicle enthusiast in them and I'll gladly listen and hear their side, but for the most part, your generalization of the owners seems spot-on. It's a bit of a shame that Porsche didn't set up a subsidiary company for the Cayenne, but I understand why they did it, much as I might not like it, those vehicles do have their place in the evolution of the company as well - same as the 914 / 924 / 944 / etc. . .

It's not elitist, it's just a fact. The 924 (excluding the GTS of course!) is not on par with the 944 or 951. It certainly has its place and can be fun to drive (as can any Porsche), but it just won't run with the other vehicles you mentioned in the same way that a 944 n/a won't run with 951s, 968s can't run with 993s, etc. . . Different vehicles, different niches. They all have their place.

Porsche o Phile

Well, having owned both a 924 (1977) and a 944 (1984), I will respectfully disagree. Same problems with quality, same electrical parts by and large, many identical mechanical and body components (like that marvelously designed rear glass assembly) , and an engine that would run forever with a minimum of attention. Except for the added HP of the 944, (which ain't all that much in NA form), I will stack up a properly maintained 924 against a similar 944 anytime.

The fun part is that folks not familiar with the marque can't tell what year or model it is; they just think it is fast and the owner has big bucks!! Had a lot more fun with the 924 than with its replacement. Of course, the 924 had been completely restored and won trophies. Took five years to complete.

I've got a '79 924 I'm hoping to fix up for a friend of mine who needs a car; it runs reasonably well but there's nowhere near the performance of the 944 n/a I have. It could be because it "needs work"; maybe the comparison will be more equal once it's all fixed up and tuned and running correctly - dunno. I will say it's awfully nice to not have to worry about the interference engine though!

Now a 924S - that would certainly give a 944 n/a a good run (outcome would probably depend on the drivers more than the modest advantages of the 44). A 924 turbo would kill a 944 n/a and belongs in a separate class entirely.

Up to snuff... if that means a bunch of modifications/aftermarket low dollar HP gains, NO. My car was completely stock and was in top running condition. Not exactly sure what you are running but I've never seen an N/A keep pace with a 993. An older 911, yes. There is a huge difference between the two to say the least.

My brother has a mid 80's 911 cab. Awesome car and my 944 was either next to him or ahead. My current 944 ('89 turbo) now is a total different car and he can't even begin to keep up. Yet still a 993 has more rated hp than me and much more low end torgue so there is no spanking it. I can keep up and play "pass you/pass me" but it's definately not easy!!!

Not sure of the accuracy of your claims (not that it really matters), but if you can keep up with a 993, then more power to you '-)

Later,
Cory

993s are very fast - I doubt any n/a could keep pace with them. They might have a chance on very twisty roads with a skilled driver, but I think the 993 outclasses them by simply too much. . .

I got to run with a GT3 in my 951 yesterday - those things are VERY fast! I kept up fine in the curves but on any sort of straight there's no touching 'em.