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Looking for some advice on 968

Hi everyone I'm new to the forum here. My dad has an 85 911 and I've been toying with the thought of getting a 944 for some time now, which brings me to this forum.

There is a 95 968 in my local paper. it is a 6 speed coupe that needs an engine because there is a crack in the cylinder wall. The car has 176,000 miles on it but looks pretty good all around. Their asking price is $5950. They said that they can get me an engine with 30,000 miles on it for $4000.

Can someone please give me some words of wisdom about this situation? Are these prices fair? Does this car have too many miles? Is this a bad way to start my porsche owning experience? Any thoughts would be very greatly appreciated! I'll get the Vin number if that would be helpful. Thanks in advance
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What difference does it make if the engine has 170K miles if you're just going to replace the engine anyhow.

A good 968 will often go for $15K+. This one looks like it may be worth the $9000 (or less if you can find an engine cheaper - which I think you might be able to - and are willing to do the installation yourself)
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The high mileage makes me nervous even though it would have a newer engine because I know that suspension parts or trans and anything else that moves could be at the end of their life. I do plan on doing the swap myself. Do you think that the high miles on the body shouldnt be a big issue to me?
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If it had 76k it would be a legit candidate for engine replacement at $9k total, but with 176k on the odometer, it looks like a car to walk away from unless you can get it for a more realistic price of $4k-ish or a more reasonably priced replacement engine. Even so, a $6k 176k 968 is no big bargain.

I'd keep looking.

For an M3 or 951.

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Porsche 944/968 are getting cheap to buy but they can be really expensive to own if you get the wrong one. I'd pass on a suspect 968 like this. Look for a well cared for 944 S2 which you can get for your $9k.
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Here is my opinion and remember this is only an opinion and doesn't really count for much, the important thing is what matters to you. The mileage doesn't bother me much if I know it's been taken care of. My 86 has 287,000 miles on it and still going pretty well. It needs more parts than it used to, but I have had it since it was new and I know exactly what has been done and not done. Parts for these cars are expensive but they are more affordable than they used to be with the online places like Pelican here. But the problem with that is...if this is your primary car, you are going to need the part now so you can get your car going and get to work the next day. With mine, that isn't important because my daily driver is the Grand Prix with my motorcycle as a backup and then the two Porsches...so I can wait a few days for parts. The big thing for me is parts availability. The 944 has parts all over the place, but they didn't make the 968 long and while it does use some of the same parts as the 44, but there are many that are different and how easily can you come across them. Say for instance you bent the tie rod...that's not really a part you want to buy new, so you would look to recycling places and that part is going to be hard to find while the 944 will have them everywhere. That doesn't mean they are not available, just not as common. Case and Point...the people on the forum and I were looking at back hatches for my 944 the other day and someone mentioned that I should not try to fix mine, but buy either a used one that doesn't leak or maybe a new one. Well, it turns out a new one is around 5000 dollars which is almost three times what I paid for the entire car. But if I really did break mine trying to fix it, I could find a used one at a reasonable price. I'm not sure that's going to be as easy with the 968. I will also have to admit that I am pretty partial to the 944 and you should take that into account. I had to have one the first time I seen it and even today after owning it 20 years, I enjoy driving it as much as the day I drove it away from the dealer. I know you will enjoy the 968 and I would as well, but if your tranmission does give you a problem, where you going to get one and how much is it going to cost and even more importantly, how long are you going to have to wait. This was a lot of words to say what iobound just said...if I had 9K to spend, I would look for a 944 cabriolet that already runs well and is ready for that road trip on Spring Break. You are on the right track though...whichever Porsche you decide to buy, you're gonna love it and we'll be here to help when we can! Good Luck!
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I second Tom's advice. I think you'd likely be buying a headache. Too many unknowns.

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If it was as easy as " buy a new engine for $4000" the shop would have already done it and try selling it for a proft.

I would look for a 944 S2.
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Hrm. I'd say thats going to cost more then its worth. A few years ago I had an oppurtunity on a 60K miles 968 for about $9K. Guy was moving out of country and wanted to sell. I found the car nicer then what I wanted for a first, so had to pass on it. If you shop around, might be able to find a deal like that over time. By teh tiem you swap engines, you are well over what you could find a decently used taken care of 968 coupe.

Today, I'd be more likely to buy that 968, but I've found my heart is with the older models. As an '86 944 owner now, I still dream of my old 215,000 mile early '85. I loved that car. Someday I hope to go back to an '85 or previous.

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Hrm. I'd say thats going to cost more then its worth. A few years ago I had an oppurtunity on a 60K miles 968 for about $9K. Guy was moving out of country and wanted to sell. I found the car nicer then what I wanted for a first, so had to pass on it. If you shop around, might be able to find a deal like that over time. By teh tiem you swap engines, you are well over what you could find a decently used taken care of 968 coupe.

Today, I'd be more likely to buy that 968, but I've found my heart is with the older models. As an '86 944 owner now, I still dream of my old 215,000 mile early '85. I loved that car. Someday I hope to go back to an '85 or previous.
You didn't buy it because it was too nice?!?!?


As stated, it all depends on what shape the rest of the car is in. At 176k I wouldn't expect the freshest thing in the world, but I have seen some damn nice high mileage cars including a 944 with twice that number on the clock. If the engine is truly the only thing busted, a new one will most likely set you back $4500 or so. $6k is a bit much for an engineless 968 with that kinda mileage, but you really can't tell without checking it out in person. I'd probably try to talk them down a bit (maybe to $5k) but as I said, I've never seen this one.

Also if you don't already have a daily driver don't get it.
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You didn't buy it because it was too nice?!?!?


Do you think a low miles 968 would be an ideal first car for a young teenager? Seriously, the old high mileage 944 I eventualy bought was definately the right car. Especialy as it did not have high performance tires, letting me bring it to the edge and learn it without high velocities involved. Right car at the right time. That 968 was the right car, wrong time. Unforuntately, I wasn't carrying a camera every where back then, so my only pictures where some of it on the internet. It was white just like this one, also like this one, a '95.


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Do you have any kind of quote on how much the engine swap would cost? Does that engine price include installation? If it does, then it might not be such a bad price. Is towing it to a pre purchase inspection an option?

As mentioned, only a few thousand 968's where built. This is going to make things in some cases very expensive in reltationship to the car. I beleive the 968 Coupe is rarer then the Ferrari 360.

I can't say just how a 968 drives on the edge, I was very gently when I test drove the white one, so I can't realy help you on that side of things.

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The 4000 is just the engine, i am mentally prepared to spend the time trying the engine swap myself (and with the help of some friends I would hope). I am no stranger to letting a car sit while i find the right parts at the right prices. Right now I own a '90 supra turbo that i drive in the summer and a 91 celica for a daily driver so the 968 would be fine sitting for times when I need parts.
Thanks a lot everybody, you have given me much insight and a lot to consider. I think that ill do a carfax and see what that pulls up and if I do decide to make them an offer I'll ask them to let me tow it to a porsche specialist that is only about 25 minutes away. I appreciate the help and I'll keep you updated on what I decide!
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I wouldn't pay more than $4K.

Engine is one thing, here are the others....

Control Arms $500
Axles/CVs $300
Transmission $750-$1500
Clutch $900
Front Struts $300
Rear Shocks $200
Wheel Bearings $500
Brake Rotors $500
Brake Lines $100
Radiator $400
Steering Rack $500
Hoses/Vacuum Lines $500

Over $6K and I am sure I'm forgetting some things and haven't even touched on body work, paint, or interior cosmetics.

What is the condition of this $4K motor? You may be better off seeing if your local dealer can get you a new motor from Porsche. It may be around $7500 and brand new.

With that being said, if you can get the car for $4K, you end up with a mechanically "restored" car that you will have $17500 in with a new motor or $14500 with their $4K motor.

Do you know how nice of a 951 or S2 you can get for between $14500 and $17500? Heck, you can get a nice 968 for that if the 968 is what you're set on. Plus you can enjoy driving the car and not learning by fire how to work on it. Believe me, they are not THAT enjoyable to work on.

If you want a project, you found one. BTW, save your money and forget the carfax.

My 2 cents.

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Hey 85targa911,

There is an engine with cam problems at Brims in Kenton Ohio for sale. If you have any engine knowledge, you might be able to pick that engine up cheap and transfer the cam "stuff" off that car's motor to the other engine basically taking two engines and making one. Here is their number (1-800-221-3874) to find out what they want for it....remember recyclers negotiate prices so work hard and save yourself some cash if this sounds interesting to you. I also know of a complete engine from a wrecked 968 for 3500 (50K miles) if you are interested in that as well. Email me at twilmoth@ev1.net if I can help you in any way.
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thanks a lot razorback, ill give them a call this afternoon, if i had a shop manual i think i would be able to get one whole engine together
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I was going to say it sounds like a fair deal. Not the best deal i've heard, but not bad.

But....... Dave L makes a really good point.

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If it was as easy as " buy a new engine for $4000" the shop would have already done it and try selling it for a proft.
I wouldn't be too worried about the mileage, just get the PPI (looks like you are planning that anyway) and make sure you know what else is wrong with the car.

If "there's a crack in the cylinder wall" sounds like someone had too much water and not enough antifreze. My point is, sounds like someone didn't know enough to check on even simple things, who knows what else wasn't kept up well.

I like the idea of trying to find an engine with a top-end problem (cam chain tensioner problems are common) and take the head and valvetrain out of the current engine (provided they're still good). You'll definitely need to re-do the variocam system with a new chain and tensioner, but do some searches, and you'll learn all about it.

Bottom line, looks like it might be a good deal, but make sure you know what else is wrong. At that mileage, i wouldn't spend over about 11-12K TOTAL doing everything. Any more than that, and you'll start to find 968's in running condition, with little work required for that price.
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Keep in mind that I'm still saying that a running 944 is still a better option but it feels like your heart is set on this car. If you decide to do this...work lots of jobs and realize there aren't many parts available and have a backup car.
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It seems that 968s are getting less expensive nowadays. Let's say you bought this car and installed the $4K motor. You'd be in for $9K but what happens when you go to sell? I agree with others, too many unknowns. However, if you want to get into this car as a project that you'll hold onto for a while it might be fun. In that case just don't total up the receipts and you'll be fine
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Count the purchase as a hobby purchase that will cost you several thousand a year (or possibly much more) to keep up, and you'll be fine. It took $8k before I got my 928 to the level I wanted it. I paid $14,500 to buy, added $8k in repairs, etc...and (today) it has a market value of $6,000....hmmm. My math is not working right. I've decided to keep it all my life as I'm in too deep to get out. But I LOVE that car (obviously). I sure and heck didn't buy it to come out even on....but I can "wax" most cars built the same year and many later. It's a luxurious touring car..but not cheap to maintain. The 944/968 may be a bit better but the trend may be the same..particularly where there are unknowns.

Tell your wife that it's a hobby that's much cheaper than another woman and you'll be entirely right and perhaps she'll have some compassion when you tell her what some of the parts cost.

I try to talk all my friends out of buying older Porsches because I want to keep them as friends.

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Count the purchase as a hobby purchase that will cost you several thousand a year (or possibly much more) to keep up, and you'll be fine. It took $8k before I got my 928 to the level I wanted it. I paid $14,500 to buy, added $8k in repairs, etc...and (today) it has a market value of $6,000....hmmm. My math is not working right. I've decided to keep it all my life as I'm in too deep to get out. But I LOVE that car (obviously). I sure and heck didn't buy it to come out even on....but I can "wax" most cars built the same year and many later. It's a luxurious touring car..but not cheap to maintain. The 944/968 may be a bit better but the trend may be the same..particularly where there are unknowns.

Tell your wife that it's a hobby that's much cheaper than another woman and you'll be entirely right and perhaps she'll have some compassion when you tell her what some of the parts cost.

I try to talk all my friends out of buying older Porsches because I want to keep them as friends.

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I totaled up the receipts that came with my 944 from the previous two owners(both best buddies, realy both of their car's). Came out to $5600 since 2000, plus a used '89 transaxel. Real pity, they got an a car that needed a top end rebuild, I don't know whether they went into it knowing or not. I've got about $3k I want to put into it in the next few months at the suspension, at which point its time to take it out to the track.
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