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Electric 944 conversion

Featured on the Sundance Channel show, Big ideas for a small planet. Episode "Drive".
Old 05-27-2007, 01:41 PM
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I hate eletric cars
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I hate eletric cars
Yep, them eletric cars shore do sux! Do you no if they run oft am or pm voltages?

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the way gas prices are I've thought about converting one of mine but it is quite expensive about 10g's

I am happy with the E85 at this point at 2.20 a gallon. hopefully it wil go down a little as it comes on line and the competition gets going. We should have 40 new stations around here this next year that will be nice.

I have been driving my 944 to work pretty much every day because of it.
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Include the tax breaks the ethanol distillers get (ADM) and your E85 is actually close to $5 per gallon and less efficient.
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the way gas prices are I've thought about converting one of mine but it is quite expensive about 10g's

According to the show, conversions could be had for 4-6k. BTW: This project was built by a highschool team that not only won the competition, but also spanked a 911 entry in the process.
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Yea Yea socal but it's not too different than the heavy breaks the oil companies have been getting lately reaping the profits off my wallet.

I'd rather supprt some farmers than who knows who anyday. Give it some time and the subsidies will come down. I never understand why it is that anytime something differrnt is offered people bag on it insted of giving it a chance.

The inefficiency is overrated you can get it within 10% with some good tuning. Just ask some of the WRX guys they love it.


Does everyone own oil stocks or 951 stocks around here. It would seem so with all the flaming I get when it comes to this site. I swear I am defending something every other post. I guess it makes my cyber life interesting.

Where is the coo coo icon? I need one.
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I feel ya blown 944. The same was said when the switch was made from leaded to un-leaded fuels in the early 70's, except for NASCAR (2007) wow, R12 to 134 change in the late 80's, diesel to low sulfer and now bio-diesel.
I think at times, people look for more ways we "can't" instead of ways we "can".
I mentioned E85 on rennlist and got 10 posts on how it (E85) would eat my car up and set it on fire, and 1 positive post on the few changes I would have to make in order for E85 to possibly work.
You are right on the efficiency claim also. Two guys I work with have Flex Fuel trucks and claim HP. and MPG change is not even noticable.
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I call BS, there is no way a single vehicle could get the same MPG on ethanol as on gasoline. It's just not possible. I'm not saying that ethanol is definitely a bad idea, just trying to keep the facts straight here.

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Bio fuel is less efficient but cleaner. So who is benifitting. The oil company's add a cheap aditive and the price goes up instead of down.

Everyone keep in mind that fuel can't sit in your tanks very long because alcohol absorbs water. Leave it in storage your tank is toast.
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having had some real world experience with running Methanol,ethanol,gasoline, stored racecar and, the whole sheebang I can honestly say I have had not ill effects with ethanol.

My old racecar would definatly eat up fittings when stored with methanol but it never did when I changed to ethanol. E85 having the petroleum mixed is even less prone to these problems from my experience b/c of the lubricating properties of the 15% mix.

I am not going to debate the consumtion as it definately uses a little more but when fuel is 3.75 and ethanol is 2.20 the math works out in the ethanols favor.

BTW I am not pushing ethanol I don't care what people use it's just what I like.

As far as subsidies I don't here anything about the cost of an ear of corn or any other vegetable when this argument comes up. Farmers have had subsidies forever why is it that when ethanol is mentioned that is the first thing to come up?

I really don't mean to start these crazy discussions truly.

run what you like and have fun driving the 944 whether its NA, S/C, turbo,nitrous,ethanol,gasoline ,electric.etc....After all it's your car and can do as you wish,

I just wish this forum would be a little more positive to others ideas.
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Yea Yea socal but it's not too different than the heavy breaks the oil companies have been getting lately reaping the profits off my wallet.
Actually the fedral and state governments make ten times or more "profit" off of the sale of gas than the refiners and retail sellers. The cost per barrel is set by the international market with India and China driving the price up. Most of the profits that the refiners and retailers make is dispersed to share holders such as teachers retirement funds and other such institutions.

Few if any small famers get any significant profits from the tax incentives (socialism) the feds and states kick back. It's large corporations such as ADM (Archer Daniels Midland) that see these tax benefits/profits.

Bio fuel is less efficient and less cleaner than refined petroleum (gas). It requires petroleum products to produce. One gallon of ethanol has the energy equivalent to 1/2 gallon of gas (when the use of petroleum in its growing is considered). Ethanol emits 20 times more acetaldehyde when burned in engines. Acetaldehyde reacts with sunlight to form ground level ozone. This would actually raise the levels of ozone in comparison to driving the same cars with just gasoline.

many other problems with ethanol besides the tax incentives and higher pollution levels; transportation and storage, refinery pollution levels, damage to farm land from over production, shifting of acreage away from other agriculture resulting in higher food costs.

So enjoy the ride while you can because there ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
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I just wish this forum would be a little more positive to others ideas.
In other words you wish others would agree with you rather than raising the facts that trounce your perceptions.
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No Hugh that's not it.

Look at where Im coming from

said I couldn't s/c my car -been done for 2 years w/o much issue

said ethanol would eat up my fuel system again I've used it for years w/o much trouble.

said I couldn't use a MAF sensor from another type of car would not work w/o a piggy back--have had an audi unit on for a while until it showed that it was a bad unit in the first place looking to replace with same unit.

said the timing was too much for the engine s/cd and would be toast again --been driving it for 2 yrs.

said my drag race adventure would be a glory run situation--drove the car home

I don't see where my perceptions have anything to do with it. I am DOING not percieving these things.

As far as the government and the poitical bs that goes with it I try to stay out of it .I'll have to bow down to not reasearching the complete ins and outs of it I just know that for now and for me it is fine. If I am wrong with any ethanol subsidies then I apologize.

It just seems I get flamed on a regular basis. Whereas I never go into others ideas or threads and do the same thing.
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Up here in Ontario, were paying the equivelent of $4 a gallon. No price difference with aditives.

Now as somone who owns a farm. I just have somone share crop it. We actually lost money growing corn. Cost more to grow than we were paid. Little to no subsidies. Farmers here in Canada are going selling out our land to the mega farmers who are having a hard time of it as well. So what incentive is there for farmers. Nothing. Cost a million $'s to start a 100 acre farm operation to make on average $25,000 income. Now get a full time job and have your wife go to work as well. Aaaa, you to can be a humble farmer with just a little cash.
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It just seems I get flamed on a regular basis.
You confuse part of the give and take with flaming.

If you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen.
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Were we not talking about electric conversions?

It seems like the 944 is a good platform for all kinds off swaps. (lt1 included )

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Hahahaha, Speedy gets things back on track! I got ingrossed in the reading and forgot what the post was about! I used to think that electric conversion would be an interesting project, but the price is quite prohibitive, I can buy alot of gas for the converion and it's still slow. You'd need a bunch of cappacitors or something to have fun. Anyone seen the Wrightspeed Atom car? I'm sure some of you have. That's a neat car, but it just don't see it being as much fun as a gas car in my OPINION (Sid, if you write the word opinion no one can argue...or can they?).
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Converting a 3,000 pound car to electric is a joke. Having a "trailer" with a Golf engine to push the 3,000 pound car around when the batteries die after 60 miles doubles the joke.

Electric cars are as good as the length of their extension cord.
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