Spare parts

[Marcone]

Ugh... Im finally back to reality... after being up for 3 days...

Starting off with a good ride to the states, lunch with Icey and his girl and then two days straight producing bands with out sleep til this morning!!!

anyways..

I need some parts... anyone got any?

~Stronger Springs

~Shocks

~Solid Shock mounts(the thing under the hood that is popping through on mine!)

~Decent Brakes, I know used isnt a good idea..but im just lookin if some one out there has any sitting around from a failed project or something.

~Cigarette Lighter(mine went missing)

~Ashtray(that doesnt look like its all 80's gross inside)

OH and anyone know why MY sway bar bushings are Porsche order only... My car is the 944s (SP) Canadian model.
Part number on the sway bar bushing that is missing is xxx.053N

I cant get one for atleast 4 weeks ....??

i have no idea what sway bar i have ... but the other bushings dont fit right...

Thanks Everyone

[Icey1174]

Wow Mike...

Why don't you trade me front bumpers?

Springs: No Help

Shocks: No Help

Solid Shock Mounts = Strut mount/flange/bearing
I put in the monoballs from Paragon. So far so good. New OEMs will cost you over $400+ each for your model year. I have my old ones, they are still in decent shape. The monoballs from Paragon are $200 for two. Huge cost savings and you get a spherical rotation as opposed to just a linear rotation. Not sure if it matters, but for $200 and saving closer to $700, that was the right choice for me. Too bad they didn't sell them on here.

Decent Brakes: What's wrong with yours? Are you looking for pads, rotors, calipers, all of them?

Cigg Lighter: Post a "WTB Cigg Lighter" over in the classifieds. Someone will mail you one for $20 or less.

Ash Tray: Heavy cleaner, a wire brush, many different grits of sand paper. They are all old. I would think a fair mount of time and elbow grease will have yours looking just as good. Maybe you can order a brand new one from somewhere. You could prob spray paint it too when you're done. Or try the "WTB Ash Tray" post on the classified section. I had real good luck with posts on there.

Swaybar Bushing: Who knows! They have different part numbers based on the OD of the swaybar and the size, shape, and/or dimension of the bracket that mounts it to the body. Maybe you have a weird mounting bracket to go with your CA model S.

[Dave L]

Springs, I have 2 sets, 1 set with 2 white/grey dots, 1 with 3white/grey. These arent going to be the mega upgrade but it may be better than what you have.

Shock mounts - These are the stock ones that I pulled out today and the rubber looks pretty good, 150k Km on them.



I also have struts that could serve as a donner for Koni inserts. Take my struts, cut them for the Koni inserts, paint, install the inserts then bolt out the old and in with the new. (no down time) Only thing is I just cut the brake sensor brackets off. If your car doesnt have brake wear sensors no big deal.

make me an offer

[Marcone]

Umm.. a little curious.. about the springs.. not too sure what i have.. and not sure at all about the ones you have.. LOL.. i dont know what the dots mean... or what "dots" i may have.. LOL.. Help?

I think i found a whole turbo suspension actually tho.. ill find out soon ..

the shock mounts.. look like mine..but better.. i may take.. but i think i may go icey's route .. we'll see...

[Dave L]

The dots are a bit of a mystery. from what I have read a single dot is soft and 3 dots is the most stiff. As far as the color goes Im not sure. Either way, I think the stiffest spring in a stock 944 was only around 160lbs.

[jcommin]

Marcone,

From the Porsche Parts & Technical Catolag:

Part no: 477 411 053N
21.5 mm sway bar bushing
This part is found on a 924/944 1982-83 Car.

But it there is also a:

Part no: 951 343 794 07 21.5 mm sway bar bushing
This part is found on a 944/S 1987-88 Car

Now I can't tell you the difference between them. What I can do is send you a .pdf file of the front suspension pic and part numbers.

[Icey1174]

Jim,

I read some where that the OD of the sawbar is one measurements but they may have different part numbes because of the size and shape of the bracket that the bushing fits into and mounts to the body of the car. I could be wrong as I do not know for sure.

As a die maker we work with a lot of diffent springs. Ours are typically painted different colors for different weights or loads. I would guess these springs to have just a dot to keep from all sorts of crazy color springs on the cars.

Porsche used different "size" (load and weight, not physical size) springs for the N/A, the S, and the Turbo models. Each front end obviously has different weights due to the different parts on each engine. I would think the N/A to be the softest spring, then the S, then the turbo.

The PET lists the N/A as a blue spring, the S as a white spring, and the turbo as a yellow spring. There are a couple variations for the M30 suspension and a red set in there somewhere, but that's the basic idea as listed on the PET. The PET does not list a dot rating system. Maybe they liked the different color springs.

Mike, did you get the Simple Green Engine Degreaser???

[Marcone]

Sup guys...

i didnt buy the degreaser... i forgot to.. i was soo pissed that the a/c thing didnt go down.. i just returned everything in my bag..and then realised that it was in there... LOL


anyways.. as far as springs go...

Are the dots white or grey?

can you photograph them for me?

[Marcone]

Jim.. does that mean i have a 21.5mm sway bar.. if so..that sucks..doesnt it...

could the P.o have put a smaller one on the bigger swaybar?

he was a tard u know... LOL

[jcommin]

Icey,

The only bushing difference I can assume would be the length, outside diameter and/or mounting bracket. My 83 has a different bracket for the end bushings of the front sway bar than newer models. The catalog shows the later version. I don't trust pictures.

Wouldn't life be easier if they color coded springs??? I haven't a clue what my original springs were rated at. The Weltmiester springs have the model number painted on them. It's nice when everything is clean, but over time, they will look my originals. I have doucmented the changes / repairs to my car but that's me.


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[jcommin]

Marcone,

It could mean anything. Unfortunately I have seen many strange things.


No way of really knowing unless you measure.

for 1987 - 88 944/S/T you could have:

21.5 mm
25.5 mm
26.8 mm

any or none of the above.

I went to bigger sway bars from a 951 and changed all the bushings. I had to slightly open the ID of the end bushing to get the sway bar to fit using the end brackets on my 83.


Since something doesn't make sense, I would check the end ones too.

Sorry for the extra work, but if you have everthing apart, go a little further. You certainly don't want go thru all this again...........

[Dave L]

And I have a 24mm bar on my 944S which must have been upgraded from stock at some point. The best way is to measure for yourself. Use a crescent wrench then measure the gap.

Here are the pictures of the springs, they look white but could be faded grey or even yellow, hard to say after so many years.

[Marcone]

grrrr.....

Thanks for the pic dave.... that colour looks white-ish-grey to me.. haha.. with a hind of blur in the centre... LOL... im gonna find out what i actually have.. cuz if its grey i want them.. if its white i dont.. and it would be the 3 dot ones i would take..
Ill figure it out.. ill go check my car too... maybe i have 2 dots.. ? who knows.. maybe ill find 17dots with pink and purple.. knowing porsche..some damn german thought it would be funny to play a joke on some unsuspecting canadian 20 years down the road... LOL

thanks Jim ill have to measure the damn thing ...

hahaha..

[Dave L]

I can convert them to 5 dot springs if you like

I will probably bring in my whole mess of springs and shocks to a mechanic to get my set together. This will leave me with the 2 sets of springs and the shock mounts. If you want we could meet up and you could compare what you have to what I have extra.

If you dont want the springs I envision a cool side table with the springs as legs.

[Marcone]

heres a good one.. i measured it.. and it seems to be 23mm.. how cool is that .. a number that shouldnt be...

WTF!

Oh .. and where would the rear sway bar be.. could i see it from being under the car.. what does it mount to ?

Thanks alot for the help..

Dave... when can we do a meet to see waht you have and what i need? Im free tomorrow now.. but busy for a while after that i think...

[Marcone]

Ahh... i just read that if i had the M030 i would have a 23 mm bar... the bushing that came off doesnt match that tho...

So.. now how do i see if i had a rear sway bar... and ... what is the t-bar... is it that pole that goes from drivers to passengers side.. or from front to back to the control arms?

thanks alot guys

[Dave L]

Tbar is torsion bar. The Torsion bar is a spring for the rear suspension . you cant really measure it unless you take it out which would entail removing your entire rear suspension.

I would with almost 100% certainty say that you have a rear sway bar. If you look in front of the rear wheel you can see the attachment point. From there it kind of snakes up around the exhaust pipe.

I am dropping the struts of with the mechanic monday. He doesnt know Im coming so I dont know if he will be able to build them that day.

Whats the intention with this car? AutoX, DE, daily driver? before you go buying bushings, springs and all sorts of stuff you need to come up with a plan. Any budget in mind?

[Icey1174]

Swaybar is from driver side to passenger side control arm.

[Marcone]

C'mon icey LOL.. thanks for the help... but I know what the sway bar is and where it "should" go... LOL

T-bars a diffrent story....

as far as teh sway bar goes... i just dont see one.. so i was wondering if it is hidden on the rear..

i am starting to think i dont have one there...i could not see one to save my life....
and for my Model/Year with the M030 option... it was optional for the rear sway bar to be 18 or 20mm .... but i dont seem to see one at all...

the rear sways too much as it is ..so i would like to upgrade from NOTHING to some thign LOL.. if that is the case!

Dave... let me know what is up about the springs..cuz as it stands ... i have no idea waht i have ... i definitely need shocks tho... i found a complete sachs setup from a turbo for 70 dollars....

[Icey1174]

Sorry, I must have misunderstood your post.