968 turbo RS

[rudidelange]

These are some pics of a racing porsche (from cartoday) in SA. Apparently only 5 made - does anyone know more?

[Dave L]

I know that I would like one, does that count?

[flash968]

the made 4 of the RS and 14 of the turbo S (a more docile version)

the turbo Rs made 350hp, and was strictly race - the S made 305 and was a street car

there are currently at least 2 of the RS here in the states - not sure about the S, as they were never imported here, and would have DOT difficulty

[Schumi]

There was actually 15 turbo S's made, this number may include a prototype. Only 4 factory RS's were made but since then many copies have been made.

There have been a few 968 turbo S copies made, done by using a 2.7L 944 8V head with a 968 block and a 951 turbo intake and exhaust.

Out of the four real RS's built, one was made in '92 and three in 93. They competed in the ADAC GT series in germany and one of them (the one built in 92) competed in lemans. The ADAC cars were limited to 337HP but the lemans car put down 350.

Car #1, the 92 car, blew the head at road atlanta in 1995, was shelved, and later rebuilt. It now puts down a supposed 450HP and is somewhere in the US now. It was originally red, then painted yellow at Lemans, now it's back to red I think.

Car #2 was bought and unrestricted to near 450HP, and resides in South Africa. It is yellow. That is the one you pictured. It is owned by Robert Reister. He uses it in the cup series there. I believe it was wrecked once.

Car #3 is a bit unknown. It is in the UK but different people say different things. Some say it is in pristine condition, some say it was totaled and is in parts. I think I have heard last that it was totaled.

Car #4 was bought from the factory and raced by Joest Racing. It was totaled and sent back to the factory where it was repaired in full and continued racing. It now is in Texas.


Out of the 4, at least 3, possibly all 4 have been refit from the factory at least once in their lives. They are extremely race and wroth in excess of 200K$ today I would think.

The 15 Turbo S 968's are also worth well into the 80K$ range too I believe. There have been several copies as I said, at least two of which are in the UK. There is also a company in Austrailia that builds them (the name eludes me). Porsche also reportedly built more then the 4 original chassis and these have been used to build replicas, but I am not sure how accurate that info is.


So there's the story. :-)

[flash968]

the company in australia is probably fitzpatrick

there are definitely 2 here in the states - one is red - saw it in hershey this year

not sure about the 92 RS - it was only announced in feb of 93 - did they sit on it hush hush for that long? they usually announce things in advance of them coming out, not well after

as for 15 of the S, i can only find record of 14 - 11 in 93 (serial numbers 61-71) and 3 in 94 (serial numbers 61-63) - what leads you to believe there was a fifteenth? makes sense, but i can't find any numbers

[Schumi]

I have seen on several sites the number listed as 15 but yes there are only those 14 serial numbers. I am not sure where 15 came from unless one prototype was made and not given a normal serial number.

[scottmandue]

A few people have made replicas of these cars out of stock 968s.

Please note that I am NOT commenting on the car shown in this post just that more than a few people have done this mod.

[stylelab]

If it can help anyone, I have a 2.7 liter head required to convert a stock 968 into a turbo s or rs for that matter. It is for sale.

[d.a.autry]

Would like to by that 2.7 head. . . . but I'm not going too (can't ). btw, is that an 8v head


Anyway, this is the link to fitzpatrick for those interested. http://www.fitz-racing.com.au/

I've researched the S & RS some lately in re to CoD and p/lb ratios, etc. Pretty impressive.

One site boasts 0-62's around 4.4s. I've found reference to CoD being around .34 and p/w at 9.5/lb. My calcs suggest would also suggest this using the 350hp and 2975lbs for weight and factoring in other variables.

Another site is listing the S at 305hp and a curb of 2865. However this suggests a p/w of under 9.5. They boast 0-6 in around 4.7 (4.5-4.9), qmile at under 13 and top of 175(+).

Yet another puts the S weight at 2808 (dry?) and says:

"ADAC regulations enforcd a 4kg-to-1bhp rule and also a minimum weight of 1350kg. This meant the 1300kg Turbo S had to be equipped with strategically positioned ballast and an engine producing no more than 337bhp. By contrast, the international regs allowed considerably more scope for development. Weight was reduced to 1212kg and a 350bhp motor installed"

FYI Wiki lists the normal 968 to have a curb of 3068.

Despite all of this crap there's pretty much no dispute on the performance times and speeds. . . .

[CJFusco]

Coincidentially, the newest issue of excellence has a two-page spread about these cars...

[stylelab]

the 2.7 liter head I have for sale is the 8 valve variant. The same used in the 968 turbos and rs

[965 3.6 turbo]

hi all,

car number three, if its the same car was in the uk, we have just sold it to a guy in germany, it is a black car , only competed in three races, never been damaged though, will try to find some pictures.

[matthewb]

I know a guy with an 87 N/A 944 that does 0-60 in 4.2. All it took was an LS-1, a little tune and some slight weight reduction to get it down to about 2800 pounds. It costed a lot less that the 968's but those 968's are pretty sweet.

[968turboS]

Originally Posted by Schumi

There is also a company in Austrailia that builds them (the name eludes me).

That would be Fitzgerald Racing not Fitzpatrick.
http://www.fitz-racing.com.au/sub-4.htm

Raj

[968turboS]

Originally Posted by stylelab

the 2.7 liter head I have for sale is the 8 valve variant. The same used in the 968 turbos and rs

Actually its different. A turbo S and RS heads have round intake ports and creamic liners on the exhaust side. A 2.7 head has oval intake ports and no ceramic liners. Dyno tests showed a 30plus rwhp and tq gain in switching from turbo S/RS heads to 2.7 head.
2.7 is a better head to make power since its not restricted.
Raj

[stylelab]

thanks for the correction, the head has since been sold. I'm a real fan of the 968 turbo but I'm leaning towards a 968 LSx. I know its wrong

Originally Posted by 968turboS

Actually its different. A turbo S and RS heads have round intake ports and creamic liners on the exhaust side. A 2.7 head has oval intake ports and no ceramic liners. Dyno tests showed a 30plus rwhp and tq gain in switching from turbo S/RS heads to 2.7 head.
2.7 is a better head to make power since its not restricted.
Raj

[matthewb]

Originally Posted by stylelab

thanks for the correction, the head has since been sold. I'm a real fan of the 968 turbo but I'm leaning towards a 968 LSx. I know its wrong

It isnt wrong. It just makes sense.

[porsche4life]

Hold the phone... It makes sense for power. BUT it is totally wrong from the standpoint that then its not a pure car anymore.

[matthewb]

What is the benefit of having a "pure" car over have a "non pure" car? The reason you have the car is because you want to enjoy it and maybe in some ways make it your own. Having more power and making the car your own by doing your own work and upgrades on it can make it more enjoyable. At the end of the day you have a car that you are attached to and proud of because you have done something with it. Anyone can go and buy a 944 but not everyone can do something different with it.
These car handle great but the one place they lack in is power.

[legoland951]

Give me a break. A pure car can be born from an abandoned bastard Porsche 944/924 with tons of parts made by VW and Audi? Give me a break. Ask a 911 guy what a pure Porsche is or for that matter, ask anyone else who do not own a 944. Adding a Chevy part is like bastardizing a bastard. Its still the same as before.