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tryangles 03-27-2008 07:22 PM

Do I have a Turbo long block?
 
Ok, so i bought this 944 and don't know too much of the history on it. I was working on the engine, and stamped on the pass. side of the block it has M44/51. Is this a turbo block? The head number is 9441062506R is this a turbo head? Thanks/

bradelporsche 03-27-2008 08:41 PM

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tryangles 03-27-2008 09:03 PM

Well, I googled it and according to that it is a turbo block. Could this be why my compression tests were on the low end? (around 135-145). The car itself is a N/A model. What can I do now?? Will it run without the turbo?

TNT25169 03-27-2008 10:36 PM

All blocks are the same so it is possible someone rebuilt a N/A motor with a turbo block. As for the compression numbers, those sound about right for the turbo pistons. I'm sure there is an easier way to figure it out but my advice is pull the head and check the pistons. If it does turn out to be a turbo engine/block/pistons, you're not going to want to run it without a turbo and all the hardware because it will move like a snail. Just my 2 cents....

tryangles 03-27-2008 10:47 PM

Thank you for the input. If it is in fact a turbo block, would it be cheaper/easier to source all of the turbo parts that I need and bolt it up?

ryan951s 03-27-2008 10:52 PM

An M44/51 is definitely a turbo block code (M44/51 was the standard turbo engine code, M44/52 was the Turbo S version), but who knows if it's been rebuilt? I have an '89 Turbo and the compression tested at 140-145 for all the cylinders, so it sounds like you are right on the mark for compression with turbo pistons. I agree that if it has the Turbo's lower compression ratio, you'll be way down on power compared to a standard N/A motor.

tryangles 03-27-2008 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tryangles (Post 3854230)
Thank you for the input. If it is in fact a turbo block, would it be cheaper/easier to source all of the turbo parts that I need and bolt it up?

Or would swapping out the pistons do the trick??

tryangles 03-27-2008 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryan951s (Post 3854233)
An M44/51 is definitely a turbo block code (M44/51 was the standard turbo engine code, M44/52 was the Turbo S version), but who knows if it's been rebuilt? I have an '89 Turbo and the compression tested at 140-145 for all the cylinders, so it sounds like you are right on the mark for compression with turbo pistons. I agree that if it has the Turbo's lower compression ratio, you'll be way down on power compared to a standard N/A motor.

It looks as though it has been rebuilt or at least taken apart and put back together. I can see the red sealant all around the block, and the block is really clean with no oil stains.

nynor 03-28-2008 08:24 AM

you MIGHT be able to pull one or more spark plugs and shine a small flashlight and see the piston surface.

zedsn 03-28-2008 08:30 AM

If you indeed have a turbo short block it maybe cheapest to find a good running NA motor and just do a complete engine swap and sell your turbo short block to recoup some of the money back.

JustinL 03-28-2008 08:31 AM

Supercharge it.

JoshB 03-28-2008 09:23 AM

Where are you located? I've got a complete NA motor - needs a headgasket though.

tryangles 03-28-2008 09:57 AM

hmmm.....Are the cylinder heads on the n/a the same as the turbo heads? I am located in S. Cali.

nynor 03-28-2008 10:07 AM

there are differences, all of them desirable. sodium filled exhaust valves, different springs, ceramic lined exhaust ports.

tryangles 03-28-2008 10:15 AM

Ok, so how can I tell if the Cylinder head is from a turbo model?


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