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if the right 968 came along, would you take the plunge?

I'm starting to get the itch.... and with school bills out of the way now and forever, i might be able to afford one! lol =P

what should you look for in a good example of a 968? with 944s i know things like front engine service, clutch, LSD, etc...
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I read some articles from Excellence magazines, the 968 is the way to go compare to 924S and 944s.

The 968's maintenance is far less hassle. For example, the timing belt service is
required every 60K miles.

With 924S and 944s , after installing the new timing belt, it requires to adjust about 500 miles or 1500 miles with special factory tool. Then , about 15K miles
you need to adjust again. New timing belt about 30K miles.
Engine overheat is another issue.

As for the what to look for , may be maintenance records, salvage title, mileage, and fluid leaking. Almost all 968 has good home and well care for.
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Just a quick note on the 944/924S belts.

The later cars... 1988 as I recall had the auto tensioner so no need to check it over and over. Replace it and go 30K.

968 is a sweet ride but I have heard that the transmissions can be a bit weak if you were to put it on a track.

Also the early cars had an issue with the pinion bearing which Porsche discovered and remedied but if you are looking at a 1992 you should make sure it was not one of the suspected cars with out the fix.
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very good point, thank you!
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Just a quick note on the 944/924S belts.

The later cars... 1988 as I recall had the auto tensioner so no need to check it over and over. Replace it and go 30K.

968 is a sweet ride but I have heard that the transmissions can be a bit weak if you were to put it on a track.

Also the early cars had an issue with the pinion bearing which Porsche discovered and remedied but if you are looking at a 1992 you should make sure it was not one of the suspected cars with out the fix.

I think it was 87 and up, pretty sure because my 87 has it...i've also heard that the auto tensioner is pretty good, but not perfect and the tension should still be checked with a tensioning tool?
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ya that's what i've heard too...
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To Eturbo924, thanks for the inputs. I stucked with this 1983 944 for long
time. I thought all 924s and 944s timing belts were the same.
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If I had the money, I'd buy a mint 968 and transfer the suspension, engine, and drive train into my 944.

My personal preference is that the 944 looks better even if the 968 is better.

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If you are REALLY looking, there is one for sale here in town. I can get pictures and more info for you if you would like. I a in NO way affiliated with the car, I just saw it for sale a couple of weeks ago, and my wife would kill me if I bought another car right now!

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Vern:
There's a 968 engine with 89k miles for sale on the parts forum for $3500, which is a pretty good deal....I have seen a 944 conversion with the 968 motor and 6-speed trans running on a track, and I can tell you that it make a very fast car....a real sleeper.
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I agree with Vern, the 944 looks better.....
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hey Nick, I wont seriously be looking for a month or two... my 944 is in need of some major tlc, so i'm thinking of buying a beater (1992 golf diesel... any objections anyone? price is 1500, new clutch, new ball joints, new calipers) until I finish getting the funds together to put towards the 968.
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Just a quick note on the 944/924S belts.

The later cars... 1988 as I recall had the auto tensioner so no need to check it over and over. Replace it and go 30K.

968 is a sweet ride but I have heard that the transmissions can be a bit weak if you were to put it on a track.

Also the early cars had an issue with the pinion bearing which Porsche discovered and remedied but if you are looking at a 1992 you should make sure it was not one of the suspected cars with out the fix.
The tensioner is not an auto tensioner per say but a spring loaded device which places tension on the belt and you lock it down into position. As the belt ages and stretches it will loose tension and you need to go back in and release the tensioner, allow it to place tension on the belt again and then lock it down once again. It is recommended that you double check the tension using a P9201 especially when installing a new belt due the spring tensioner not being able to apply the correct tension on a 'new' belt.

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Vern:
There's a 968 engine with 89k miles for sale on the parts forum for $3500, which is a pretty good deal....I have seen a 944 conversion with the 968 motor and 6-speed trans running on a track, and I can tell you that it make a very fast car....a real sleeper.
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I you read my post it starts with "If I had the money" Unfortunately, I don't have any right now. Until then, I just get to dream about it.

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I used the term Auto tensioner because I did not know the official term for it.

I do believe they were standard on the 1988 models but not the 1987s. It very likely could be that the last few of the 1987 944 could have been fitted with them. Porsche did this quite a bit... that is put a new feature on 1/2 the way through the year.

On the checking tension issue on the 1988 and newer cars. I spoke with my mechanic some time ago. (works on Ferrari, Porsche, Lambo, Lotus, BMW, Mercedes and more) When I told him to go in and check the tension on my friends 944S2. He told me that in his experience (which is vast he is no smuck mechanic) the spring loaded tensioners do an excellent job of keeping tension on the belts for 30K miles. That said he still checked the tension for me :-) and it was perfect at 15K miles.

Anyway I would say the 1988 and newer cars had less worries on the belts than the early cars... agreed? That was really my point.

As they always say... get the newest and best shape example that you can afford. In Porsches case they always made the next year better than the one before it. Frequently changing little things with out making note of it.

Oh and if you like the looks of the 944 over the 968 just get a 944S2. It has almost the same performance with the 944 (if turbo) body.

My friend has his for sale now. $8750 with the optional sport suspension and brakes.
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i wouldn't agree, eturbo.

as previously said, the tensioner will keep the tension on the belt.. .but when it's tightened down, it doesn't take into account for the belt stretching and geting 'broken in'... so you've gotta loosen it again, let the spring tensioner do it's thing, then tighten it back down again.

at least, that's my understanding of how it works.

the spring doesn't keep tension on the belt at all times... you tightening everything down keeps tension on it.
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Parts are a helluva lot cheaper for a 944. Look at a water pump. I rest my case.
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I would go for an S2. I dont really love the look of the 968 and would rather avoid the complexity of a 951. In all seriousness I would also look at a Boxster
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to clarify any issues regarding the 968 transaxle, it is actually a stronger box than the 944 boxes, and can handle a lot more torque - the gear spacing can be a bit much though for guys who run smaller tracks

the pinion bearing issue is not as prevalent as some would like you to believe - while it is unusually common for any problem in a car, and after watching this closely for the last 5 years, it does not appear to be in more than about 5% of the cars - it is not limited to any particular year - is not more common in any particular year - it is NOT related to mileage - it can happen at any time in any car - the problem arose due to a combination of casting tolerances, and the assembly procedure being an automated one - this resulted in the preload setting on the bearing being too high on some of the units

repair is usually about $1500

semi-related upside is that the clutch job on the 968 is only about 4 hours - unlike the earlier cars, you do not have to drop the transaxle to do it

as for the looks, that one is very subjective - while i prefer the 968, i do think the S2 front end is more aggressive looking, in spite of the more dated look - i have subsequently made some changes to the front end of my 968 to make it more aggressive looking

i have seen a couple of S2s with 968 rear clips - nice
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i'm in love with the looks and uniqueness of the 968..
that's why i originally wanted the 944... i didn't want to be 'just another 20-something with a honda'... it was unique to me.

but the s2 is a very nice car as well..
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