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944GTR What happened to this one?

Quite some time back a guy was looking to post some pix of what looked like a real GTR. I have been hosting them for quite some time. I just wondered if anyone knows the story. Daniel Yeh was the guys name and he indicated that he was going to restore it. I never heard any more. Anyone have any info? Just personal curiosity on my part.

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Not a factory GTR. GTR's were based on 924's and have turbo 2.0'x not 2.5L 944 engines. That one also has a 944 body. The GTR was a one off body for that car.

There were no factory "944 GTR"s. They were all 924's. There were one or two 944 turbo cars built for IMSA in the late 80's but they did not have normal 944 body work like this one, they had obvious fiberglass bodywork with flares to house 14 inch wide tires.

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924 gtp

One factory built car ran at the 81 Le Mans with a 944 type engine, turbocharged and with a 16V head, in a 924Carrera GTS body, I believe.
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^ Yes, but the car above obviously wasn't it. That is a stock 2.5 liter, normally aspirated 944 engine under that hood.
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^ Yes, but the car above obviously wasn't it. That is a stock 2.5 liter, normally aspirated 944 engine under that hood.
..no it ain't. it's def not stock. it's got a NA intake manifold but definitely has a turbo on it. most likely aftermarket job. a bad one at that cause that intercooler is way too small for doing aftermarket.
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You know it is funny that when you step back and take an objective look at it you are all corect in your assessment.

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That Si one great looking car. I wonder if I could turn my 924s in to a replica of that.

Something to strive for after the m62 is complete.
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I think I have met Danny and I think I even sold him a hot tub.

Anyway, if my neurons are firing correctly (it's been a while), that car is a Calloway turbo.

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that definitely seems like a more legit answer. Calloway did build some 944 turbos using 944 NA's as the base, they had the turbo stuffed on the exhaust side of the car instead of under the intake manifold like the 951. That's what going on in this car too.
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IIRC, Calloway built about 49 turbo cars on a 944 n/a base. Most (all?) had a little round calloway badge on the c-pillar but this one's could be long gone. When properly setup and tuned, they topped out at about 300hp (really). I've seen another calloway and this looks a lot like that one...I'll have to go back and look at my pics and see what matches...
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As stated, there was no 944 GTR, the car was called a 944GTP, and only one was made. It was not homologated as a production car, but ran in the prototype class, hence the P in its name. It placed 7th overall if I remember correctly.
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As already posted that is defiantly a callaway setup or a very good copy. The callaway used the same intercooler, intake pipe, and turbo location.
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So it is; that's what I get for taking only a short glance at the engine bay. I guess I really only noticed the NA intake manifold and the lack of 951 intercooler pipes.
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It is kind of hard to see but now that I'm looking a little more closely, I think that boost guage has a little calloway symbol on it. Same symbol that's on my calloway microfueler...
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One factory built car ran at the 81 Le Mans with a 944 type engine, turbocharged and with a 16V head, in a 924Carrera GTS body, I believe.
Incidentally, saw that particular car (Hugo Boss was the sponsor) at the Porsche Parade in Charlotte last summer. Beautiful car, beautifully restored.
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the car that ran LeMans was a 924 GTP this car did develope 420 hp beside the porsche script on the motor it also had a 944 LeMans script on the lower bank of the motor top speed was aroud 178 mph , there was only 2 of them cars built , I'm not an expert but having been around porsche for a long time I don't think this is a GTR and I agree with Robert 944 it does look like a gallaway if it is one came up on ebay for something like 60,ooo bucks wow! who saying 944 are cheap *****
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Wow, this brings back some old memories. Back in the late 70's and early 80's I used to crew for George Drolsom from Jacksonville, FL. He raced in Can AM and IMSA (the glory years) running McLaren Mk6, Porsche 911, and Porsche 924 GTR (car 34 GTU). IIRC, he got his 924GTR direct from the factory in 81 and we ran the 24 at Daytona for the first race. The 924 GTR had the rear fenders as shown in Techno's photo of car 39, however the rear spoiler was similar to stock only fiberglass. The front fenders and front bumper area was similar to the red car in Techno's photos. It was a real pain to work on the front body as there were so many pieces. We later switch to a more simple front. The motor was the 924 turbo and was very unreliable. Huge intercooler, dry sump, and had a DME. Lots of blown head gaskets and overheating that first year. The car came with an aluminum roll cage from the factory, looks pretty, not very safe. We ended up changing it to steel in 82 when we ran Trans-Am at Atlanta since aluminum cages were not allowed in SCCA rules. The car had huge calipers and rotors off the 930 I believe along with center lock BBS wheels complete withwheel fans. The rules back then was no tube frames. I think the car cost around $90,000 from Porsche.

There were a number of 924 GTR's running back then. Heimrath in Toronto had one. Brumos had the two silver BFG cars. Dave White had one also. Nobody was very sucessfull with them.

In 83 & 83 we had our claim to fame by having John Oates (Hall & Oates) as a co-driver for several races. Also in 83 we had Richard Lloyd and Jonathan Palmer from the UK bring their car (Cannon cameras car) over for Daytona for us to run at the 24.

By 84, many of the cars were being converted to 944 motors and tube frames.

I wish I had photos from back then, but when crewing there was not much time.

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Ok I have to ask is there a source for the 924 GTR body parts? I have the turbo grill but it looks like you would need front and rear fender flairs and the front fascia as well as the headlight conversion and the hood scoop. This would be a fun conversion for my 924s
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^ GTRacing's catalog has just about every body panel you could ever hope for.

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