$700 944 Turbo conversion

perfectchoicemotorsports · 12-13-2001, 08:12 AM

$2002 GRM Challenge car.

At this point we have $700 in Turbo Conversion.

1. Garrett T3 turbo .45 turbine and .60 Compressor wheels.
2. PCM Turbo Fueller allows complete timing/fuel control
3. 4 additional injectors (8 Total) 2 24lbs/hr per intake runner.
4. IC is 2 saab's welded together
5. IC piping is 2.5" from turbo to intake.
6. Complete 3" Exhaust from downpipe to exhaust tip.
7. Cross over pipe is full 2"
8. Turbo starts to boost at 2500 rpm
9. Heat shielding from Welding Blanket (see photo)

We do not have any performance numbers as of yet, soon to follow.

Not to toot our own horn, but we plan on giving Hot rod, and Road & track magizines a run for their money in January 2002. Especially in the Autocross event!

Kevin
PCM Injection
ww.perfectchoicemotorsports.com

Firestarter_944 · 12-13-2001, 09:48 AM

..."9. Heat shielding from Welding Blanket (see photo) "

What photo? Poked around PCM website... didn't find anything when I searched for GRM.

Firestarter

perfectchoicemotorsports · 12-13-2001, 11:19 AM

We tried to download a photo to the thread and it did not show up.

If you would like to see it email us we will send you a picture.

Kevin
PCM Injection

porscheboi928s/c944t/n · 05:10 PM

Keep it up Kevin!! and keep me/us informed...email me too..i am also very interested and intrigued with it....LOts of Luck!

Maybe this is it for the N/A guys who wants forced inductions..

yOnKiNaToR · 12-13-2001, 07:44 PM

do you know what kind of modification we are going to have to make to the structure of the car in order to do this conversion?

this sounds promising...

perfectchoicemotorsports · 12-14-2001, 04:37 AM

Structural changes?

The integerty of the car or chasis is not changed. The added power will increase the load on every part of the car (Engine, tranny, Axels, Cooling). It all depends on what you are looking for from your car.

Kevin
PCM Injection
www.perfectchoicemotorsports.com

yOnKiNaToR · 12-14-2001, 06:12 AM

well, i figured you would need to change the structure of the car to fit an intercooloer on there, unless you are mounting it in another spot on than the front.

i wanna be able to push at least 200hp and have capability of around 250..that would suit me fine.

perfectchoicemotorsports · 12-14-2001, 07:50 AM

Yonk:

If you will email me I will send you a picture! of the car.

We are expecting 250 wheel HP at least, if we cannot get it done with the T3 compressor we have a T4 .60 wheel and housing to bolt on. One thing is for sure the T4 will flow more air at less pressure. Its all about the flow not pressure.

Kevin
k.s.thornton@worldnet.att.net

porsche1984944 · 12-15-2001, 08:41 PM

That sounds almost too good to be true. $700 for the whole thing? How hard to install?

perfectchoicemotorsports · 12-15-2001, 10:25 PM

To who it may concern:

It seems Everyone expects something for nothing!
If the people who owned a Porsche had any idea of the cost associated with owning a Porsche they would have chose another vehicle to start with!!!!

We are here to show people ways to update older cars with potential, to perform with cars enginered 20 years after their development.

It never ceases to amase me the people the want to plunk down a $5 investment and want $25 in return.

Performance is no different than the stock market! If you want to play then pay!!!!!!

If not!! shut the **** up and stay with what you have!!!

Performance and my enginering and my time and R&D cost money if you want to play, then lets play if not, keep your snod ass comments to yourself.

I am sorry we belong to the USA where people can make comments without a clue to what it takes to engineer a system to perform with the likes or Road & track and Hot Rod Magizine in a event of this magnatude.

To make a long post simple we are here to improve the performance of all Porsche's by our $$$$$$ and
RESEARCH & DEVELOPMENT.

It takes a simple mind and a key pad to undermind the things we are trying to do.

Sorry to the people that benefit from the R&D we provide to the rest of you nay sayers **** you!!!! Build a car and we will see you in Florida in January!!!

My Opiligy's to the people that are of offinded by this post!!! Hey we live in America I can say what ever I want to say no matter how stupid I sound!!!! or you!!

God bless America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kevin
PCM Injection
www.perfectchoicemotorsports.com
334-673-8803
Kevin
PCM Injection
www.perfectchoicemotorsports.com

Blackfoot · Blackfoot's Garage

perfectchoicemotorsports · 12-16-2001, 06:56 AM

Thats pretty good Blackfoot! What are you? A english teacher.

wolfrpi · 12-16-2001, 08:38 AM

LMAO

Perfectchoice...why so bitter? Hopefully the car runs better than you can spell...LOL

1.2gees · 1.2gees's Garage

No, he's just a regular person, with nothing to loose...
-(American Beauty).

Perfect choice, I'm still looking forward to seeing pictures, and a detailed set-up run through...
Ahmet

thamlin000 · thamlin000's Garage

Perfectchoice-

I'm lost. Where are all the snod-ass comments and naysayers? It seems as if everyone here is supportive and interested in this project.

Rollins · 12-16-2001, 09:55 PM

Perfectchoice, I think the point of Blackfoot's post is pretty obvious. Your post lacks verbosity, and the grammar is very weak. Whatever credibility you have is seriously marred by your inability to write properly. I don't see anyone mocking your project. If it's all you say it is, then congratulations. I think it is fairly obvious why most would be skeptical; look how little can be done with a 944 na. Oh, and I'm not an English teacher either, but I did graduate from high school.

perfectchoicemotorsports · 12-17-2001, 05:01 AM

Their seems to be just to many people here that cater to the 951's supposed superiorty.

Every time someone asks about converting or swapping a engine in the 944, the same premadonnas chime in and say dont waste your money buy the 951! or this costs to much to do this or by the time you did that, it would be out of site. BS!!

The 944 and 951 have the same displacement, block, and head. The 944 has a BETTER Compression ratio for all out power and thermal effeciency. "Yes you read that correctly, better compression". With modern programmable ignition systems, you have a far superior Ignition system than was designed in 1986, allowing you to program around the detination problems. The 951 has a silly ass external wastegate (good for boost pressures over 15psi) that are harder to plumb into a system. Internal waste gates are fine up to that limit. The kkk tubos are a joke, so why not start with the industry standard Garrett, to build as bad a engine as you want to build.

I could go on and on about the complexity of the 951 turbo set-up. It was design 16 years ago by some DA German engineer who thought that was the way to do it. (Dont even get me started on German Engineering) If you have ever worked on a German car you understand. Porsche designs cars so the dealership can make a ass-load of money after the sale!!!!

We have $700 in a running turbo conversion (not fully tuned timing needs work and mid range fuel curve needs work) so $700 - $379 we charged ourselves for the electronics, means about $300 dollars in hard cost. The 944 was one of the easiest cars I have ever converted.

Hard performance numbers and hopefully a dyno sheet to follow, hopefully soon!

PS: Blackfoot should I send all my posts to you first, so they can be graded for grammer and spelling?

While you were in english class, trying to get a better grade that would allow you to enter a better college, I was in the shop studing the internal combustion engine!

I also learned a long time ago, "Everyone likes a little ass, but noone likes a little smart ass"

PEACE! V
(X)
Kevin
PCM
www.perfectchoicemotorsports.com

yOnKiNaToR · 12-17-2001, 05:11 AM

i could careless about all this stupid bickering...i just want to know everything about this project and how i can get a turbo in my car. that's what it all boils down to.

porscheboi928s/c944t/n · 12-17-2001, 08:54 AM

the 944 have the same block and displacement as the 951 but he head is diff..design is the same but if you look closely ..on the 951 head the on the exhaust port..its a ceramic(pressed in)...also exhaust valves are ceramic coated....also..on a 944 head...part number starts with 944. as for the turbo ones it is 951..i believe that the rods is the same less piston(forged on 951)..

Also if i remember correctly....i was telling everyone here about the cheap MAF conversion....i guess someone heard me and he is selling it(check rennlist)......he uses it on a 2.3 fords and now he applied it to the 951...oh well...

Britwrench · 12-17-2001, 08:58 AM

While I would be the first one to say that 944NA need more power I don't see that this is the way to do it. Most of the 944s we work on are over ten years old and, basically, tired.
Putting money in to the engine, and you just know that it's not going to be $700, doesn't seem to make much sense unless the car is in mechcanically excellent condition to start with.

What about an oil cooler? What about transmission durability as the ring and pinion breaks with the stock engine?

I think there are too many unkowns for 944 owners who have to pay a shop to work on their car. For someone with the time,
facilities and knowledge to do it themselves this could be a good idea. The only problem with that is the smallness of the potential
market and with 951s getting moreaffordable, why bother?