Can't Bleed clutch

Gawernator · Gawernator's Garage

Hit a snag. Motive power bleeder is awesome for the brakes. After finally borrowing a 7 mm wrench to get the clutch slave open, everything was bleeding as normal. Then the blue fluid started to come out but so did a lot of air. Do I need a second person to pump the clutch pedal while I open the bleed valve? I'm almost out of fluid in the motive :-S clutch pedal is stuck to the floor.

flash968 · 11-20-2012, 03:47 PM

you shouldn't. don't open the valve so far. barely crack that puppy. it's a bit tougher because the screw is so danged small. it also gets tough if the rubber cap has been missing for a while, and there is gunk on the tip.

stuntman703 · 11-20-2012, 04:43 PM

I did this, was able to bleed the clutch under 30 minutes by myself. BMW, VW, Porsche Clutch Bleeding - YouTube

rick13 · rick13's Garage

hey dont forget to jack the rear of the car up a bit higher than the front. use plenty of fluid too

Gawernator · Gawernator's Garage

Jacking up higher did the trick. Bled to clean fluid no air. However looks like the low pressure hose failed/is leaking :'( I'm stranded for now

Rasta Monsta · Rasta Monsta's Garage

Motive should work easily, no jacking, no BS. . .if it doesn't, there is another problem.

Gawernator · Gawernator's Garage

**** this ****. Did find a problem, or two. Spent about nine hours off and on, on the car. Missed work, and still don't have the car drivable yet. Ended up finding that the hose from the reservoir to master had failed and cracked from the reservoir end up about two inches. Nobody in town except apparently NAPA has/had hydraulic hose, and they closed five minutes after I figured out what I needed. Got some fuel vapor hose in 5/16" to last temporarily, what a day, or two? When I pulled the old hose off from the master cylinder end, the valve came with it. Took like 45 minutes of fiddling and dissembling some electronic box and moving the vacuum hose assembly to just barely get the valve with new hose back into the seal with my smallish hands. Somebody or just bad luck knocked off the motive and right now the gauge is stuck at 5 PSI, so I'm gonna assume its now broken after the first day of use lol unless the gauge moves again with some pressure. To add to the fun I found a couple spots that were either brand new rock chips or damage from something falling... had a PITA with the touch up stick. Going to somehow have to borrow a car tomorrow? Need more brake fluid... doesn't seem like ATE super blue is carried locally so I guess I'll have to mix in some DOT 4 from the local parts store.. going to order that hose from Pelican I guess if I can find the part number. At least I'm alive and healthy. And have a Porsche (good or bad... hmm). Clutch pedal still goes to the floor. Think now the problem is just low on fluid. At least I got the Fuchs stripped....

kfanazini · 11-21-2012, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Rasta Monsta

Motive should work easily, no jacking, no BS. . .if it doesn't, there is another problem.

+1
Agree. Why does everyone believe that jacking the car helps. The pressure bleeder puts pressure in the lines forcing the fluid "uphill". That is the beauty of the pressure bleeder.

flash968 · 11-21-2012, 05:33 AM

jacking only helps, and only on the clutch, in as much as it gets the fluid up over that divider in the reservoir.

bummer about all the hassle. that's the second time now that i've seen the low pressure hose cause a problem. usually it's the high pressure hose. i was hoping you didn't mess up the motive when i heard it hit the ground when we were on the phone. rats. maybe they can send you a new gauge?

Gawernator · Gawernator's Garage

I don't know. It was fine then but it had a second fall later -_- I'm going to fill the motive up with fluid and try again

CHICKS · 11-21-2012, 09:08 AM

Call motive, they'll take care of you.

Gawernator · Gawernator's Garage

I ****ing did it. The gauge seems to work still. Just doesn't drop all the way to zero when the pressure is released. Meh. I dumped 1.7ish quarts of fluid in the motive. Took the baffle out of the reservoir and filled it to maximum capacity. I recollected the clean fluid into the container. ... Update: had to re-do it. The baffle insert seems to need to face towards the rear. Took the entire motive capacity to bleed all the air out. Work in one hour! What timing...

gacook · gacook's Garage

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Originally Posted by Gawernator

**** this ****. had a PITA with the touch up stick. ....

Totally jacking your thread, for which I apologize. But...care to point me in the direction of a good place to get a touch up stick? I've got LOTS of little scratches/rock chips that I'd love to get taken care of until I feel like outlaying the cash for a new paint job.

flash968 · 11-21-2012, 12:40 PM

removing the baffle is a VERY bad idea. it is in there for a VERY good reason. in the event of a clutch failure, the resultant loss of fluid does not affect the brakes. with it removed, if your clutch hydraulics fail, you now will lose pressure to your brakes.

Gawernator · Gawernator's Garage

I did replace it into the reservoir. I meant I removed it and cleaned it. Also, I have a genuine Porsche touch up stick off eBay.

flash968 · 11-21-2012, 02:51 PM

ah - cool. much safer.

Gawernator · Gawernator's Garage

I ended up having to dilute the ATE super blue with some local non-silicone DOT 4 fluid, which has a boiling point of like 475 degrees F. Since this was only when bleeding the clutch, would the brake system still be pure ATE and the clutch is half and half? This is safe right?

CHICKS · 11-21-2012, 05:09 PM

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Quote de Gawernator

**** this ****. had a PITA with the touch up stick. ....

Totally jacking your thread, for which I apologize. But...care to point me in the direction of a good place to get a touch up stick? I've got LOTS of little scratches/rock chips that I'd love to get taken care of until I feel like outlaying the cash for a new paint job.

I bought my touch up paint from the dealer. It matches really well, but a little on the pricy side.

Gawernator · Gawernator's Garage

Yep, was the best way to get Guards Red IMO.

CHICKS · 11-21-2012, 05:11 PM

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I ended up having to dilute the ATE super blue with some local non-silicone DOT 4 fluid, which has a boiling point of like 475 degrees F. Since this was only when bleeding the clutch, would the brake system still be pure ATE and the clutch is half and half? This is safe right?

I wouldn't mix, but you'll be fine. Still glad you bought the motive? Imagine doing all that while pumping the pedal, even though the motive could have started the issues...