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Ran out of gas and now won't start

I have a chance to buy 1983 944, but it will not start. He said it ran out of gas 3 or 4 years ago and has been sitting. Clutch won't depress and starter just clicks when boosted. Is there a common problem with fuel pumps if tank is dry?

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OK, I don't know much about 944's specifically being a 914 guy, but this seems to fall into the area of general automotive knowledge.

Firstly, if the tank is dry, it can often take almost forever for fuel to flow back through the lines. Also, if it's been sitting for 3-4 years, whatever residual fuel was in the lines or injectors is almost certainly now varnish. Best thing to do for that would be to clean the entire fuel system.

Can't help about the clutch, not familiar with hydraulic units.

The starter isn't doing the clicking. The clicking is the solenoid, and that's an indication of insufficient battery power. My guess is that one of two things is happening here: Either the battery in the car is so dead and degraded that it's interrupting the circuit and acting as a resistor (quite unlikely but not impossible), or there is corrosion somewhere in the wiring that is adding resistance and not allowing sufficient voltage and amperage at the starter solenoid. The latter is by far the most common. You should clean all the contacts that you can find in the electrical system.

It's an unfortunate fact that once cars have been sitting unstarted for more than a year they are very difficult to get running again unless they were specially prepped prior to storage. The absolute worst thing that can be done to a car is to let it sit without starting or driving.

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FIRST: I would pull the spark plugs and stick a 1/2" drive ratchet and socket on the crank in front and see if I could turn it over by hand.

Sitting three to four years the belts on the front of the engine can "glue" themselves to the pulleys. Should you later be able to get the car to start change the timing and counter balance belts right there even if you can't properly set the belt tension. Better a bit tight till an experienced 944 mechanic can set them than breaking on the way.

Just putting a battery in may be all that is necessary or you may have to go through and clean or replace the grounds from the battery to the chassis and from the chassis to the engine block.

Also note that the starter gets 12 volts directly from the starter when the solenoid kicks in -- the clicking you hear. You may need to clean the connections at the start or possibly take the solenoid apart and clean the contact plate that bridges the 12 volt battery connection.

Search this forum for recent posts on checking the voltage at the injectors and coil to determine if the DME relay is pulling in.
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How sure are you that it did, in fact, run out of gas?
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Well of course he did!

The engine stopped didn't it?
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When I set my dawg affire, he didn't stop when he ran out of gas, but he sure quietened down a might.
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Non-running 944 = $500.00

Non-running '83 944 (no power steering) = $250.00

Tell him you will tow it away for nothing.

Probable repair requirements;

Timing belt, water pump, front engine seals.
Engine mounts
Battery
Clutch
Full maintenance service
Possible brake caliper rebuild
Possible fuel pump (due to overheating when running out of fuel)

And the list goes on.....

Only worth it if YOU are going to do all the work, otherwise it's just junk.
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Sounds like probably is a slave cylinder in the clutch, but maybe throw out bearing. My uncle gave me an MGB he had sitting in his show room and I pushed the clutch in and it stayed to the floor, sounds like the opposite problem though. At least slave cylinders are cheap.
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Could be that the throw out bearing is frozen on it's guide tube.

Don't think its the slave or clutch master as the pedel is NOT going down.

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