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The Glademister 12-10-2015 11:42 AM

Two weeks later...
 
Well I got the compression coupler and the ID of the hard line was 1 mm too large. Rather than order another fitting one size greater (which probably won't bite well) I got some 3/4" high pressure fuel hose and slid that over the hard line after cutting about 1" out where the abrasions were. Clamped that down really good and it's holding well with the fuel pumps on. So that enabled me to get back to getting vacuum leaks fixed. I've replaced all the vacuum hoses in the engine compartment except the two that run to the canister under the fender. I used up all the larger size silicon hose and I've emailed the vendor about the shortage. I also replaced the smaller vacuum hoses on the AC unit and all the windshield washer hoses. So I went to start up cold to see if all those replacement hoses made any difference and it did seem to start a little better but I'm still having to use ether (warm start is still good). While I was testing the head lights before an evening test drive, the damn washer pump came off it's mounts, got wedged up in the headlight mechanism and fractured the washer bottle slightly. I'm going to patch that with some fiberglass resin and stick that washer pump down for good. I did get to drive the car that evening and that went well. I've also taken delivery on some pretty decent early 944 seats from a Pelican member. The seats in this 924 are rapidly falling apart at the seams just getting in and out testing, etc. I won't put those newer seats in until this project is much further along. I've also ordered a new fuel tank sender and today I found a 931 brake booster on eBay. After confirming that the booster vacuum valve is good, I tested the brake booster and it's not sinking at all with my foot on it during start up. That's another potential source of vacuum leak that needs to be eliminated. It's unbelieveable how complex the vacuum system is on these cars!

dgcantrell 12-10-2015 01:19 PM

Looking good, man. I've got to down my 87 944 soon and do some rust repair before it becomes a terminal case. I've had it going on 24 years (bought it Feb 1992) and it's been a damn good car.

I remember back in the early 90's a 931 sitting for sale at a car lot at a used car dealer in Abingdon, VA. Nice looking car. I wished I could go back in time and snag it (and fix a lot of other things too)..

The Glademister 12-10-2015 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dgcantrell (Post 8912670)
Looking good, man. I've got to down my 87 944 soon and do some rust repair before it becomes a terminal case. I've had it going on 24 years (bought it Feb 1992) and it's been a damn good car.

I remember back in the early 90's a 931 sitting for sale at a car lot at a used car dealer in Abingdon, VA. Nice looking car. I wished I could go back in time and snag it (and fix a lot of other things too)..

They're still out there. I was looking at this one on eBay today...

Porsche 924 Blue | eBay

I probably paid a bit too much for mine but with it being a one owner car, I think I did okay. If I can get the engine running well and suspension refreshed, I'll then move on to the cosmetics - paint & body, interior. These Porsches just keep on teaching me and I pay them back with kindness :)

dgcantrell 12-11-2015 09:55 AM

I've got too many projects going on at the moment to take on another.. LOL

The Glademister 12-15-2015 06:29 AM

Bit by bit
 
I took delivery on a couple more needed parts yesterday. The fuel tank sender installed quickly and easily. It's sure nice knowing how much is in the tank. I also put an ounce of Lucas Oil Ethanol Gas Treatment in while the sender was out. I'm going to use that every time I add fuel to mitigate corrosion. I also got a replacement interior light as I was really getting tired of those wires dangling out between the sun visors. And I replaced the last vacuum elbow. Note that the parts diagram says you need three of that size - NO you need four. Finally, I've found a replacement sports steering wheel for a decent price. Looks like the interior is going to come along quicker than I expected.

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The Glademister 12-17-2015 09:17 AM

Good vendor
 
I got an email from High Performance Store and they're sending more silicon hose. He explained that he had only two or three orders over the last five years for 931 kits so he wasn't exact on the amount or sizes needed for that model. So I replied with a thanks and said I'd give him exact sizes and lengths needed after I finished all the hose replacement. Good customer service so I would definitely recommend buying from...

Silicone Hose Kits

After you check prices with our host (of course) :) We all know what a great vendor Pelican Parts is!

The Glademister 12-19-2015 02:55 PM

Brake booster re-hab
 
Cleaned up and painted the 931 brake booster I bought on eBay.

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The Glademister 12-25-2015 02:59 PM

Merry Christmas
 
We opened gifts and had dinner last night so today was very casual. First I installed a new dish washer. Then went under to house to pull a failed sump pump. Household chores done I went to the shop to do some brake work on the 931. I siphoned off the brake fluid in the reservoir, clamped off the clutch supply hose and pulled that off the master cylinder. There was quite a bit of junk in the reservoir so I sprayed that out real good with brake cleaner. Then I pulled the hard lines off the MC and it had some rust so I cleaned it up. I've got a MC rebuild kit on order so I set that aside. Then I'm on my back in the floor board removing the nuts to get the brake booster off. It's a tight squeeze wrestling the booster out of the engine bay but I finally get that on the bench. there's quite a bit of brake fluid in the bottom of the booster so the seals on the MC were failing. Now is a great time to replace the breather hose from the crank case to the AOS. It's still a challenge to get to the clamp and it's turned in THE WORST possible position to get the clamp loose. I basically ripped the hose out, got one very painful turn on the clamp and then wiggled it off the pipe in the block. When I replace that hose there will be a clamp on there that you can get to. You can bet on that! When I get the replacement hose and MC kit, I'll put all this back together.

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The Glademister 01-03-2016 06:52 PM

Master cylinder fun
 
So the kit I got was almost a one-for-one match. 92835591300. It came complete with seals, pistons, cir-clip, etc. I got up early this morning and dis-assembled the master cylinder and laid everything out in order. There was some funk indeed inside that joker. Then I laid out the kit parts and started re-assembling from the bottom of the cylinder. I noted a slight difference in the two pistons from OE but was able to get the seals in the correct order and orientation. The first piston was the first spring attached by a small security torx screw (which I don't have) so i cleaned that up really good and re-used it. There's a seal retaining clip that would have come off with that spring but I was able to replace that seal by sliding it on from the other end of the piston. The kit came with some lube for the cylinder and that helped everything slide nicely back together. Getting the MC back onto the booster was uneventful as was putting the brake lines back on. I used the lube on the new grommets for the reservoir and the grommet on the check valve. The old feed hose to the clutch MC gave out when I started adding fluid so I replaced that. Thankfully the fluid in the clutch MC stayed high enough that I didn't get any air in that system. So now I'm using my power bleeder to get the air out of the brake lines. The brake peddle firms up okay. Put the wheels back on, get all the vaccum hoses back on, take the car off jacks, shoot a little either (didn't have to jump the fuel pumps) and start the car up. It's a cold morning so I let it get good a warm before taking it out for a test drive. Damn, the brake peddle goes spongy. So back to the garage for another bleed. Just a few bubbles out of the rear lines. So I'm going for a nice long drive down the back roads where I live and I'm still not happy with how these brakes feel. I'm not loosing any fluid. When I start the car with my foot on the brake peddle it does depress slightly (good booster and check valve). My buddy suggested that it could be the old rubber brake hoses swelling with pressure. Those are definitely toasty so I'll look into replacing them. I'm glad I was able to run the car for a good hour and maybe that helped cleanse out the fuel system some more :rolleyes:

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The Glademister 01-07-2016 07:02 PM

Suspension goodies
 
I found a smokin' deal on front Koni struts, rear Koni shocks and rear sway bar with bushings and hardware. The rear bar is 18 mm. I got those parts in yesterday evening and this evening I started taking a close look. The part numbers on the Konis match up with a 944 M474 package. The seller said they came off a '86 951 with 38,000 miles. Now remember that this 931 shipped without a rear sway bar so getting all the attaching hardware was huge. However, when I crawled under the car and looked - I'm not finding bolt holes for the brackets. I'm going to search for some photos that show exactly how the drop links and bar are orientated (yes, I did get the dual ended eccentric bolts). That bar was also a bit scratched, flaky so I wire brushed it down to bare metal, primed and painted it. Then I'm looking at the rear shocks and the bump stops are toasted so out those come. I also set them medium soft with compression and rebound feeling nice. The seller warned me that the struts wouldn't fit the early style front spindles and I confirmed that. The camber eccentric is 1/4" further from the lower mount bolt on the late struts compared to early struts. No worries, I'll simply unmount the OE struts, pull the shot shock inserts, paint the tubes Koni yellow and re-build with the M474 springs and Koni inserts. Probably use the 951 top mount too if they'll fit. Suspension work is mostly cake.

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The Glademister 01-09-2016 07:09 PM

A day under the car
 
Well, not quite all day but all morning for sure. I had painted the rear sway bar a couple nights before and picked up the 3.5" clamps yesterday after work. So when I got up this morning I had everything I needed to get the rear suspension squared away. First I squeezed the clamps under the floor board and around the torsion carrier. That took a little hammering and prying as it's pretty tight under there. Then I marked and drilled the clamp closing bracket for the bolts joining the sway bar bracket. I used some 10 x 30 mm bolts and found the 13 mm heads were a tight fit in those clamp brackets. I spread that open a bit and pounded the bolts in and then used the 13 mm nuts to pull them tight. In fact I left those nuts under the sway bar brackets when I placed the bar over the exhaust, slid on the bushings and bolted the brackets down with another set of 13 mm nuts. Then I used my impact wrench to pull the one sided camber adjust bolts and put in the two sided ones that came with the sway bar. On goes the drop links and everything is tightened up nicely. Now on to the rear shocks which are very simple. The OE Boge shocks still have some compression but zero rebound. The Konis go on nicely and I'm done on the rear.

So the plan on the front was to pull the OE struts by using a floor jack on the control arm to compress the spring, pull out the OE shock insert and use the Koni inserts from the 951 struts. So I got the OE struts off and dis-assembled but needed to compress the spring on the 951 struts to take them apart. I just put the 951 top mount in the car and although the bracket won't fit on the spindle - I wedged the bottom of the strut on the control arm and used the jack to compress the spring. Worked fine and much quicker than spring compressors. But when I got the 951 strut tube to the bench I noticed that the cap on the tube has crimps and it appears that is a sealed strut. Crap! I'm disappointed but all is not lost. The Boge inserts have okay compression and the 951 springs are definitely heavier. So I cleaned up the 931 tubes, stuffed the OE Boge shocks back in and put the 951 springs on those struts. I also cleaned up the OE bump stops and dust covers and re-used those. And I used the 951 top mounts as those were in good condition. Noted that the OE springs were three blue marks and the 951 springs are two yellow marks. While putting the struts back on I went ahead a set camber full negative (probably about 1 degree).

The test drive following reassembly revealed some improvement with handling. The car doesn't body roll as much in turns and feels a bit stiffer. I will definitely get some single adjustable Koni inserts for those front struts however. Those and a 30 mm front sway bar ;)

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The Glademister 01-16-2016 06:25 PM

Rocker fun
 
Today I removed the rocker covers for cleaning. I had noticed. while working under the car, that the bottom of of the rockers were pretty bent up from poor jack and lift placement. That was definitely the case on the passenger side so I set about bending that sheet metal back in to shape with locking pliers. I also noticed that most of the paint on that bottom strip was flaking off and exposed metal. I decided to strip that section and prime it to prevent corrosion. That area was not primed very well and the finish coat was applied directly to the metal at the factory. They just didn't shoot the rockers at the correct angle. Thank goodness for galvanized metal though. Very little corrosion was present. When I moved to the drivers side there was some body work that had been done the the lower front fender just in back of the wheel opening. That's a prime spot for road objects to monkey things up. The fender had been bent back into shape and there was about 1/8" of body filler. It's odd that a shop would do that in an area that's hidden by the rocker cover. Anyway, I stripped that area of paint and filler. Also stripped the same lower area all the way back to the rear wheel opening. After cleaning and wiping both sides with a tack cloth, I masked those areas off and sprayed primer.

Later we stopped by the 944 Orphanage and traded those 951 front shocks for some interior parts. Late 944 sun visors, a visor clip, passenger window switch bezel and dash gauge bezel. The visors installed easily and look much better than the OE with swollen foam. The passenger visor clip was missing so I replaced that but unfortunately the drivers side clip broke so now I'll have to get another for that side. The OE gauge bezel was cracked under the speedo so I pulled the steering wheel, pried out the bezel, disconnected and removed the gauges. Now the replacement bezel was from a 944 so it had a silver face. I scruffed that with sandpaper and sprayed it with satin black. I also had to drill out the right side idiot light position because the early 944 doesn't have the light. I'm letting that paint cure overnight and I'll put the gauges back in tomorrow.

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The Glademister 01-17-2016 06:09 PM

Back together
 
I was able to get the instrument cluster back in this morning. To re-attach the speedo cable, I pulled the other end off the counter switch. Then when I got everything stuffed back in, as I was re-attaching the cable to that box, the threaded top portion broke off. So I'll order a ROW cable and delete the switch.

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The Glademister 01-18-2016 12:20 PM

Pressure test in the artic
 
Only about 20 deg. in the garage today. I went to a hose company and bought some adapters for my CIS gauge. I also asked the counter guy about rebuilding the fuel lines and he thinks they can. Anyway, I got back and hooked up the gauge. I did find that I had to loosen and move the washer tank a few inches to get the gauge fittings on the fuel distributor. I jumped the FP circuit and here's what I read...

System pressure-
79 PSI
5.5 bar
Cold control pressure-
77 PSI
5.1 bar
Leak down on system pressure-
gauge sat at 25 PSI for 10 minutes

So the control pressure is incredibly high. That reading was with the gauge valve open, fuel pumps running but ignition off. I didn't start the car to get warm readings.

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The Glademister 01-31-2016 04:54 AM

A couple of fixes
 
Yesterday I finally received the make-up silicon hoses the vendor promised so I got in the drivers side wheel house to replace those canister vacuum hoses. That was fairly straight forward but I did discover a rip in the bottom of the charcoal canister and confirmed that wasn't air tight by covering one port and blowing into the other. So I sealed that with some RTV after cleaning everything up. I didn't find any rust in the fender well except for an area just beside the tire and to the rear. I suspect the driver side wish bone on this car failed, the wheel lodged to the rear, tore a hole in the canister and bent the lower rear section of the wheel arch. The wish bone on that side is newer than the passenger side. Anyway, with that done, I went ahead and put the rocker covers back on after figuring out those must slide on front to back to get everything nested. It also helps to clean the backside of those covers with some Amour All to get them slippery. Started the car up and went for a quick drive. The brakes were still spongy so when I got back I bled them again and got a few more bubbles out of the lines. Onward!

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The Glademister 02-07-2016 01:47 PM

Speedo and springs
 
After a week or so wrestling 914 transmissions, I was back on the 931 today. First on the list was to replace the speedo cable. Pretty damn cold this morning so I started the car up and put the heater on high to warm the interior. I wasn't going to be cracking any cold plastic parts! Pulled the steering wheel, got the instrument bezel out and disconnected the cable. I pulled that out of the firewall and I'm ready to install the new cable. Next time I'll remember to attach a string to the old so I can pull the new through. After fishing the new cable through the bowels of the dash, I'm digging the OXS box out of the engine compartment. That requires loosening the AOS to get it out. Then I got the car up on jacks and pulled the driver side front wheel. There's a tiny piece of wire holding the end of the cable in the dust cap so snip that and pull that joker out. Slide the new one in and wrap a piece of small gauge wire around the end. Done.

Several years ago my racing buddy gave me some lowering springs and I'm thinking "what the hell" I'm going to give those a try. Those are orange, shorter than OEM, much thicker and have HD-2 stamped on them. I'm going to assume 200 lb. Weltmeister. Anyway, I had the jacks under the front, dropped the sway bar ends and used my floor jack to compress the struts under the control arms. It didn't take long to get the springs swoped out and everything back together. Note that you've got to be careful seating the lowering springs into the top hats as there's more space than with the OEM. Before changing the springs I measured about 6" floor to bottom of rocker on all four corners. After changing the front springs the front rockers are down to 4". Quite the difference but now the rear needs to come down. So I move to the back, place my jacks, pull the wheels and use a large breaker bar to loosen the height adjustment nuts on the trailing arms. Once that's done, I take the car for a quick test drive and there's a real difference in ride. The front is much stiffer but the rear is still sloppy. When I get back in the garage and measured, the front is 4 1/2" and the rear is 5". Pretty damn good. I noted that the exhaust pipe just downstream of the wastegate is only about 3" off the ground and I've got a clamp there I need to spin. This car won't be going over speed bumps anyway.

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The Glademister 02-26-2016 07:06 AM

Some brake love
 
I've been devoting my garage time to the 914 race car for the last two weeks. Swoping the transmission in that beast with mixed results. The last two nights however I decided to give the 931 a little brake love. I had ordered front caliper rebuild kits, pads and hoses several weeks ago with funds from 914 parts sales. I've rebuilt calipers before so this was mostly routine. When driving the car, I felt the front brakes were doing their job but the drivers side was hanging somewhat closed as evident from excessive pad dust. I started with what I thought was the better side, drivers; but when I clamped the piston head in the vice and extracted it from the bore - wow, a lot of junk in that cylinder. You can see from the photo the corrosion under the dust boot but there were deposits in the bore below the inner seal. I was able to clean all that up with brake cleaner and using a soft wire brush on a Dremel. Then I took all the pieces to the bench brush and got all that brake dust and surface rust off. Put the new inner seal in, pressed in the piston and re-assembled. Looks much better. Last night I did the drivers side and the piston was much harder to extract. So that was definitely hanging up. Not as much corrosion or deposits in the cylinder but the inner seal was really bad. Both sides are back on with new hoses but I'll need to bleed. After seeing the fronts condition, I'm thinking I really need to do the rears also.

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The Glademister 06-15-2016 07:29 AM

Quick update
 
I was side tracked for a while by a '87 924S Craigslist car that I couldn't pass on. That one was relatively easy to get on the road and the 914 took up some time following. So just minor things have been done to the 931. I scraped off all the deteriorating foam under the front hood. That's some nasty adhesive the factory used there. Goo Gone and a dull scraper got the majority. I still start the car weekly and usually take a quick run down the road. I've got the 15" phone dials off the '87 924S on it and I like that look with the 931 lowered.

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The Glademister 06-20-2016 05:22 AM

Carpet and seat refresh
 
Yesterday I pulled out the original front seats which were split and mushy. Then I vacuumed the carpets real good and painted them with gloss black interior spray. I'm really liking that product for sprucing up interiors. I didn't pull the carpet, just masked off the console, rear seats, dash etc. Eventually I'll pull the console and paint it also. I had purchased some nice 944 seats from Just Joshin' parts back in the winter and transferred the original seat rails to those. Those two tasks really changed the interior appearance. The seat foam is nice a firm and now I don't feel like the seat is shallowing me up!

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h20cooled7 06-21-2016 05:28 PM

Car is coming along nice! Did You do a dash cap, and where do you purchase the interior paint from?

The Glademister 06-21-2016 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by h20cooled7 (Post 9170087)
Car is coming along nice! Did You do a dash cap, and where do you purchase the interior paint from?

Thanks! No dash cap yet but this one definitely needs one. The interior paint is available at O'Rielly Auto Parts.

The Glademister 06-30-2016 06:13 AM

Engine fire!
 
And I was getting so close...

This evening I pulled the aux air regulator and cold start valve for testing. I put the AAR in the freezer and opened up as specified and then applied 12V to the connector and it slow closed. Great. Then I jumped the fuel pump circuit after pulling out the cold start valve from the manifold, applied 12V from the coil with a test lead and turned the ignition on. No fuel spray. So I took the valve to my bench and started squirting brake cleaner in the fuel line connection. I also hooked some test leads to the connector and gave it 12V to get the valve to open. I could here it clicking so I did the test in the engine bay again and now it was spraying. The final test is to take away the 12V leads and turn the ignition on (fuel pump still jumpered) and see if the valve leaks. No leaks. Great. I'm thinking that could have been why I never have been able to start this car without ether. So I start putting everything back together for a try. I loosened the banjo fitting on the cold start valve to get it bolted back on the intake. Everything back together. Fuel pump relay back in and turn the key... it starts first time! Wow! So I'm letting it idle and warm up and get out of the car... there's a fire right over the distributor and intake. There's fuel dripping on the floor and it's burning too. Holy ****! My first though is to push the car out of the garage but it's on skates. Then I jump in and turn the ignition off. Then run outside, grab a garden hose and put the fire out. The flames had already gone down after turning the ignition off and stopping the fuel pump. But now that the fire is out I realize I must have left that fuel connection on the cold start valve loose and it was spraying fuel into the distributor and coil. So I've got a major set back on this one. I didn't look the damage over real close but I know that harness for the AAV, CSV, TPS, etc. is toast. There's two multi-connectors on the firewall so hopefully all the wiring damage is downstream of those.

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The Glademister 07-01-2016 06:20 AM

Damage assessment
 
Well I dug out the engine wiring harness and I think it's salvageable. The jacket took most of the burning. Some of the smaller branch leads will have to have new wire spliced in but all the connectors look okay. One smaller branch of the main harness is toast. I found a couple of used harnesses but $200 appears to be the going price. I'll have to replace the spark plug and coil wires. Those were basically new The new silicon vacuum lines came through pretty well and it looks like two elbows are fried. I'll test the aux air regulator again and I think it will be okay. The cold start valve is toasty so I can't take a chance of a leak there. Used prices for those are about $50. The vacuum limiter has a lot of soot but if that's a metal diaphragm, it should be good. I'll need to find a testing procedure for that. While I'm down in this area I've decided it would be best to replace all the small fuel lines. I'm searching for a hose company that can deal with that stuff now. And lastly, I'll need to replace the small boost gauge hose that melted. Looks like this mistake will ultimately cost $500-$700 but that includes replacing hoses that would have had to been replaced anyway.

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dgcantrell 07-01-2016 07:13 AM

Dude...!! Oh man.. I'da puked... After putting the fire out of course.. Yep, you've got some more work ahead. Looks like it just got the outer sheathing on the harness for the most part. Hopefully you can inspect it and make sure nothing is melted together. Wrap it in that silicone self adhesive tape when you put it back together though. That will offer a bit of flame protection in the future.

Alexb944 07-01-2016 07:48 AM

YOUR FINGERNAIL...... but seriously, good thing the crispyness is only the surface for the wires, that would have sucked to have to replace all the wiring.

The Glademister 07-01-2016 08:25 AM

Thanks gents. I just got through opening up the engine harness in our electronics shop at work. Started replacing bad segments but ran into a lot of wire that wouldn't take solder and stiff all the way to the connector. That means it got too hot and won't conduct properly. So I'm getting on the web to see if I can get a deal on a used harness.

The Glademister 07-14-2016 04:45 AM

Slow progress
 
I received a replacement engine harness and cold start valve from DC Automotive. That was $315 with free shipping. There was one plug missing on the used harness but I was able to salvage the same from the burnt harness. I checked continuity on any suspect circuits. The used cold start valve looks clean but that will have to be tested when I put everything back together. I also shipped all the engine compartment fuel hoses to Special T. No word yet on that cost but from what I've seen on his site, it should be in the $200-$300 range. I'm very tempted to send him the fuel distributor and WUV but will probably wait on that. That rebuild cost for those parts is a pretty good chunk of change.

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wayner 07-14-2016 05:13 AM

What is the market like on these cars once they are done?

I've been tempted by one but am afraid

The Glademister 07-14-2016 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by wayner (Post 9198521)
What is the market like on these cars once they are done?

I've been tempted by one but am afraid

931s have a bit more value than 924 NAs. You'll see good examples with medium mileage in the $5000-$7000 range. A pristine 931 could list $9000-$10,000. I paid $1900 for this one owner 931 and that was too much for the condition it was in but I just couldn't let it sit and rot where it was.

I personally don't worry too much about resale or value. Rescuing, restoring and racing older Porsches is a hobby for me. I specialize in spotting cheap, neglected 914s, 924s and 944s on Craigslist or other searches. If any of those models are not running and haven't for years - they're basically worth about $500. Sometimes the fixes are very simple and inexpensive - most times not so much.

Any collector car is only worth what you or someone else is willing to pay for it :)

I just noted that was my 1000th post on Pelican, wow!

wayner 07-14-2016 08:42 AM

Thanks.

I am similar to you I guess.
I've rescued an early 911, and currently have a 914 to add to the stable

Some people spend $5k a year on golf memberships ;)

The Glademister 07-14-2016 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by wayner (Post 9198728)
Thanks.

I am similar to you I guess.
I've rescued an early 911, and currently have a 914 to add to the stable

Some people spend $5k a year on golf memberships ;)

Copy golf membership. Boring!!!

If you've dealt with the CIS before, then you should do well with a 931. I've found that to be extremely challenging and rewarding when I've made some progress.

wayner 07-14-2016 08:00 PM

I'm afraid the one that I have my eye on is just too far gone, but I keep walking by it and touching it them imagining what could be.

The Glademister 07-15-2016 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by wayner (Post 9199620)
I'm afraid the one that I have my eye on is just too far gone, but I keep walking by it and touching it them imagining what could be.

Keep in mind that 931s and all the later 924 NAs have galvanized sheet metal so body rot will be minimal. I'm encountering more issues with improper long term storage (rusted fuel tanks, clogged fuel systems, brakes, etc.) than structure. It may be a better candidate for restortion than first appearances indicate.

wayner 07-15-2016 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by The Glademister (Post 9199926)
Keep in mind that 931s and all the later 924 NAs have galvanized sheet metal so body rot will be minimal.

I have learned from my exploits in the air cooled 911 market not to put too much stock in galvanization.

This holds true for this particular 924 as well unfortunately :(
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I'll leave you thread alone and sit back and watch the excitement of yours being brought back to life. This one is too discouraging...

The Glademister 07-30-2016 07:48 PM

Good news
 
I received the braided steel fuel lines from Special T last week and finally got around to re-assembling today. The fuel lines went on mostly without drama except for the one that has the T with the cycle valve. John sent me two lines with a dual lug banjo bolt that was supposed to fit into the output of the cycle valve. Unfortunately it doesn't - wrong size. So I put back in the original for testing. Then I started putting the engine harness back in. That connector on the thermotime really is a pain! I had one wire left over at the back but I figured out that goes to the coolant temp sender. I got the vacuum regulator, WUV and all the vacuum hoses back in. Then I set the engine at TDC and put the distributor back in. I'm glad I kept the plug wires and coil that came with the car as the new ones were burnt in the fire. So I put those back in but left the coil wire off while I jumped the fuel pump circuit to check for fuel leaks. One hose was a tad loose on the fuel distributor so I snugged that up and all good. Put the coil wire on and started cranking. It caught a couple times but I had to use ether to get it running. That's huge as I was worried that the flywheel sensor got toasted in the fire and that would have killed this project. Tomorrow I need to go back in and get that wire on the temp sender and double check the distributor timing. I think I'll also test the replacement cold start injector and maybe I can get this back to where it was before it caught fire!

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pearlspapa 08-16-2016 02:50 PM

can we talk?
 
Looked at your entire story and thought I should try to contact you. I have a 1981 turbo and have let it sit for too long. I was working on my house and just was too busy to spend the time but now I am back with a vengeance. I just got mine running although not great. I have a bunch of electrical issues and am planning to attack them as time allows which leads me to my first question. In pictures of your engine compartment I see a yellow wire which is coming from the area of the coil. It seems to go through the firewall drivers side. I have the same wire on my car and it appears to be a jumper from a connection on the block just below the coil and terminates below the dash. My problem is that the wire is hanging down and I have not been able to determine where is went. I have studied the wiring diagram from my Haynes book to no avail. If you can solve this problem for me I would be forever grateful.

The Glademister 08-17-2016 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by pearlspapa (Post 9243243)
Looked at your entire story and thought I should try to contact you. I have a 1981 turbo and have let it sit for too long. I was working on my house and just was too busy to spend the time but now I am back with a vengeance. I just got mine running although not great. I have a bunch of electrical issues and am planning to attack them as time allows which leads me to my first question. In pictures of your engine compartment I see a yellow wire which is coming from the area of the coil. It seems to go through the firewall drivers side. I have the same wire on my car and it appears to be a jumper from a connection on the block just below the coil and terminates below the dash. My problem is that the wire is hanging down and I have not been able to determine where is went. I have studied the wiring diagram from my Haynes book to no avail. If you can solve this problem for me I would be forever grateful.

The yellow wire I believe you're referring to is for the aftermarket oil temp gauge. That and the aftermarket boost gauge are mounted on a pod over the center speaker grill. The wire goes down to the sensor mounted in the oil pan. It's unlikely that you have the same set-up on your car. I think these mods were done by Andail along with turbo water injection and boost increase.

This photo is before the engine fire...

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h20cooled7 08-18-2016 03:46 AM

Do you have part # or manufacture for carpet spray and did you have any luck with this product?
Thanks

The Glademister 08-20-2016 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by h20cooled7 (Post 9245061)
Do you have part # or manufacture for carpet spray and did you have any luck with this product?
Thanks

Here's the paint on the shelf at O'Reilly's. I think it works really well. The carpet will be stiffer than original but that doesn't bother me.

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h20cooled7 08-21-2016 09:53 AM

Thanks for the info Kind Sir!


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