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Are the early cars REALLY quicker?
Just for fun, who really cares about .5 sec?
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11-24-2002, 08:38 AM
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11-24-2002, 10:26 AM
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I don't know, I've never seen exact figures for the weight difference between the two verions of the 944. All the numbers I've seen have been suspect in one way or another. For example, Pelican themselves actually list the pre-85.5 cars as being heavier, due to the steel vs. aluminium suspension components.
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11-24-2002, 03:02 PM
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Various Road Tests:
Source Year Tested Weight 0-60mph ---------------------------------------------- AutoCar 1982 2600lb 8.2 (0-62mph auto tranny) MotorTrend 1982 2778lb 7.74 Road&Track 1982 2790 8.2 Car&Driver 1982 2632 7.4 SportsCar World 1983 (NO WEIGHT) 7.8 (tested against Lotus Eclat) Drive&Trail 1983 (NO WEIGHT) 7.5 CAR 1983 2820 (NO 0-60: Tested against Camaro as Best-Handling car in America... 944 won) Road&Track 1986 2900 8.9(!!!! - tested against RX7) Automobile 1986 2900 (7.6 but Not Applicable: 944S 16V tested) Car&Driver 1987 2990 (6.8 NOT BAD, but not applicable: 944S tested) Automobile 1988 2900 8.2 Road&Track 1988 2960 8.4 That's about all I could find about the 2.5NA.
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11-24-2002, 07:47 PM
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It is important to distinguish between US spec cars and ROW cars. There is a 100 lb and 20 hp difference. So AutoCar and Sports Car World data would not be fair in a comparison since they test ROW cars.
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11-24-2002, 09:20 PM
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Were the '82 cars US spec or Euro? If Euro, then its not really a valid comparison. Also, how did Automibile get a 1986 944S to test? They did not start making them until '87. Also, notice the widely varying weights for the early cars, they range from 2600-almost 2800 lbs. That's the kind of discrepancy I talked about in my earlier post.
It does make sense that the '83 should be a little faster though, with manual everything and thus the lighter weight.
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11-25-2002, 07:00 AM
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I should have written this to begin with...
all these tests I gathered from many MANY road tests that I own. I only took tests that dealt with supposedly American-spec cars (the black bumperette is smaller and the bumper has an extra driving light on European cars). In the European magazines (Top Gear, other tests by AutoCar and CAR) the euro-spec 944s did much better in tests. For example, a 1984 Autocar test has the 944 2.5 doing 0-60 in 7.2 with the quarter mile in 15.5! It's possible that Automobile tested the 944S 16V in October or November 1986, for although it was a model-year 1987 car, they would have definitely been on the road or ready-to-be released by then.
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11-25-2002, 07:52 AM
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If this is true, i'll part with my '83 for a mere 5K more than before ..: )
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11-25-2002, 10:24 AM
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Well, like I've said before, I've driven 3 different 944 series cars: my 83 944, an 86 944, and an 87 924S. The 86 "felt" the slowest of these three, but that may have more to do with engine mileage than weight (40K, 120K, 80K, respectively). I actually walked away from the 924S very impressed, the car was very sharp and responsive. I think it had a tuned exhaust and suspension upgrades, but I forgot to ask the guy.
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11-25-2002, 01:07 PM
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11-26-2002, 12:40 PM
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While not an exhaustive list, here's my own list of road-test results:
http://www.weissach.net/924-944-968_RoadTestSummary.html Karl.
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11-26-2002, 02:11 PM
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Great reference list, Karl... unfortunately I don't really think it applies because those would all be Euro-spec 2.5 944s.
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The Viridian Falcon
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1983 Porsche 944 2.5L L4 FI SOHC 8V 
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