Pelican Parts
Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   Pelican Parts Forums > Porsche Forums > Porsche 924/944/968 Technical Forum


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
Author
Thread Post New Thread    Reply
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: north carolina
Posts: 216
steering rack install issue

Ran into a problem changing my power steering rack. I counted the turns on the ball joints off the old tie rod ends onto the new. Now that they are on the new rack the front wheels both point in toward the radiator. All the tie rods appear to be the right size. What did I do wrong in this process?
Old 11-29-2017, 10:59 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #1 (permalink)
Registered User
 
drkshdw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Omaha, NE
Posts: 542
What year is your car? What year are the inner tie rods from? The >86 are shorter than the <87 inner tie rods. Sounds like you may have early ones on a late car?
Old 11-29-2017, 11:40 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #2 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Tulsa, OK
Posts: 46
Garage
There are several videos on the internet how to do a driveway alignment. I did it on my dodge van yesterday after a steering rack replacement. It gets it close enough to get to the alignment shop. Counting the turns did not work for me either. It was over 1/4 inch off.
Old 11-29-2017, 11:48 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #3 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: north carolina
Posts: 216
Quote:
Originally Posted by drkshdw View Post
What year is your car? What year are the inner tie rods from? The >86 are shorter than the <87 inner tie rods. Sounds like you may have early ones on a late car?
89

How different? With the new and old racks right next to each other they appear to be identical.

Are they "inches" different?

Thanks
Old 11-29-2017, 12:14 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #4 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: north carolina
Posts: 216
Old 11-29-2017, 12:21 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #5 (permalink)
Registered User
 
drkshdw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Omaha, NE
Posts: 542
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kings911 View Post
89

How different? With the new and old racks right next to each other they appear to be identical.

Are they "inches" different?

Thanks
Early and late steering racks are identical. The difference is in the inner tie rods. Late inner tie rods are just over an inch longer on each side than the early inner tie rods (to account for the late offset wheels needed for ABS in later years). If you're using early inner tie rods on a late offset car, that would pull the wheels inward about an inch on either side which would account for them being pointed towards the radiator now.
Old 11-29-2017, 01:03 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #6 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: north carolina
Posts: 216
So its the inner not the outer rods that are the issue? Can I swap the inners from the old unit onto the new easily?
Old 11-29-2017, 05:01 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #7 (permalink)
Registered User
 
drkshdw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Omaha, NE
Posts: 542
Yes and yes. You can use either an inner tie rod removal tool (a long tube with inserts that fit several different types of inner tie rods that make removal easy) or a 30mm wrench will do.

They're on there tight so you'll have to mount the rack somewhere to take them off. Clamp the rack in a vice or if you don't have a vice, bolt the rack back up to the crossmember and take them off that way.
Old 11-29-2017, 06:25 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #8 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Bellevue, NE
Posts: 63
Garage
Send a message via Skype™ to jtehfreaks
I had the exact same thing happen when I swapped out my rack; the inner tie rods are too short. Just swap the ones from your old rack out with those from the new one, and you'll be set.
__________________
2017 Caribbean Blue Hyundai Tucson Limited
2012 Blue Ford Focus Titanium - Traded in for Big Blue
1987 Black Porsche 944 N/A
Old 11-29-2017, 06:50 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #9 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: north carolina
Posts: 216
Getting ready to swap over the tie rods and I noticed one thing about something unrelated.

I have a question about the wire that comes off the cross member and bolts to the front of the rack.

On the factory rack there is a plate with 3 both holes. 2 that bolt it to the rack and one for that wire. On the new rack there is no 3rd hole.

Recommendations?
Old 12-05-2017, 12:32 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #10 (permalink)
Registered User
 
drkshdw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Omaha, NE
Posts: 542
That wire is to ground the horn. You can either switch plates from the original rack to the new one or you can attach the ground to the bottom bolt of that plate. Either will work. Unless you have a manual rack in which case there is a separate attachment to the left of the bushing that wire secures to.
Old 12-05-2017, 02:38 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #11 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: north carolina
Posts: 216
Really? That little brown wire from the cross member to steering rack grounds the horn?

Dang there is do much I don't know.

Thanks for all the help. Hopefully it's back on the road leak free tomorrow.
Old 12-05-2017, 05:55 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #12 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: north carolina
Posts: 216
Oops...car goes straight though errrrr.

Old 12-06-2017, 02:34 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #13 (permalink)
Coeur d'Alene, Idaho
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 348
Garage
Ah - details. Heh. I assume you're going to bring it in for an alignment and they'll deal with the steering wheel as well. In the past when I've tried to line up my own steering wheels, its best to put it on loosely (not stupid loose) and go for a drive to see which way it needs to be adjusted and how far. Pull over and mark the rim with a tape mark on your best judgement. Then either bring the wrench with you to make the adjustment and double check it on the drive back home to perhaps move a single spline. Then properly torque the steering wheel fastener at home.

Doug
__________________
84 944, 87 Vanagon, 88 Mitsubishi Van Wagon, 88 Supra Targa, 1990 Audi 90 20V Quattro sedan, 1992 Lexus LS400, 1993 LandCruiser, 1997 LandCruiser, 2017 Subaru Outback.
Old 12-06-2017, 09:31 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #14 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: north carolina
Posts: 216
So that's all I really have to do huh? Just pull it and straighten it? Times like this I wish I didn't have an airbag. That's a 5 minute job on an early car haha.
Old 12-07-2017, 03:02 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #15 (permalink)
Registered User
 
drkshdw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Omaha, NE
Posts: 542
Yep, just pull the wheel and install at the correct position. Park your car with the wheels pointing exactly straight, pull the airbag and steering wheel, put the steering wheel back on straight and reinstall the airbag. Don't start the car during the process or you may have airbag light issues (don't know how the airbags work on these cars so don't quote me on that). It's a 10 minute job on airbag cars, 30 seconds on non-airbag ones.
Old 12-07-2017, 06:51 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #16 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: north carolina
Posts: 216
Quote:
Originally Posted by drkshdw View Post
Yep, just pull the wheel and install at the correct position. Park your car with the wheels pointing exactly straight, pull the airbag and steering wheel, put the steering wheel back on straight and reinstall the airbag. Don't start the car during the process or you may have airbag light issues (don't know how the airbags work on these cars so don't quote me on that). It's a 10 minute job on airbag cars, 30 seconds on non-airbag ones.
So I wasn't able to put the wheel on straight because of the white tab that the airbag light goes through? I will try and takes pics but should that white tab spin?

I changed the cluster at the same time only to find the new cluster also didn't work
Old 01-12-2018, 07:55 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #17 (permalink)
Registered User
 
drkshdw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Omaha, NE
Posts: 542
The clock spring needs to be rewound. Watch this video starting at 8:27. It'll show you how to realign the clock spring so that white tab will fit into the wheel at the proper location.

Old 01-12-2018, 09:26 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #18 (permalink)
 
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: north carolina
Posts: 216
Thanks. Yea I just watched that. I guess I have to take those dash pieces off to get to it though huh. No easier way.
Old 01-12-2018, 09:28 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #19 (permalink)
Registered User
 
kwikt 911's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: JAX, FL
Posts: 823
Garage
Does your rack have the alignment hole. Usually a plastic plug on the driver side bottom of rack.
Old 01-12-2018, 04:26 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #20 (permalink)
Reply

Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

 


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 02:43 PM.


 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2018 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page
 

DTO Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.